Members Bob Harris Posted July 30, 2007 Author Members Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Estou lendo o livro. Apesar da narrativa bastante lenta e descritiva (o que justifica a belíssima fotografias que vemos nos trailers), o estudo psicológico dos personagens é genial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Administrator Posted July 30, 2007 Members Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 "Cold Mountain", Rike? Então isso já invalida o filme, tendo em vista a falta de riqueza no estudo psicológico dos personagens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Harris Posted July 30, 2007 Author Members Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 "Cold Mountain"' date=' Rike? Então isso já invalida o filme, tendo em vista a falta de riqueza no estudo psicológico dos personagens. [/quote'] Não não, Bernardo! Reparação mesmo. Estou encantando com a personagem da Romola Garai (Briony). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Administrator Posted July 30, 2007 Members Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Espero que o filme então não decepcione. E cuidado para não ir esperando demais do filme. Pode se decepcionar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Harris Posted July 30, 2007 Author Members Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Pois é. Realmente, estou receoso. Até agora, o livro é muito difícil. Quero ver o trabalho do roteirista para adaptá-lo. Não há diálogos, basicamente. É tudo muito descritivo. O roteirista tem que ser muito competente. MESMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Administrator Posted July 30, 2007 Members Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 E eles são estreantes, ou seja, é imprevisível. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members balehead Posted July 31, 2007 Members Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 ei bê, a galera aqui da rua me acha a cara da knightley! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Administrator Posted July 31, 2007 Members Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Me manda a tua foto então. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members balehead Posted July 31, 2007 Members Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 se eu tivesse eu mandava, mas nao me pareço nao.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Harris Posted July 31, 2007 Author Members Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Estou progredindo no livro e cada vez mais acho que não deveria ser adaptado. É INTEIRAMENTE descritivo (Pelo menos até a página 130). Estou temeroso. Não sei se vai dar certo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Harris Posted August 2, 2007 Author Members Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Enfim.. Quero ver quanto tempo será a cena de sexo entre Cecilia (Knightley) e Robbie (McAvoy) na Biblioteca. No livro, são 6 páginas descrevendo a cena. E a cada página que avanço... Estou, realmente, com medo. Não sei se vai ser bem aceito pelo público. É uma história digamos que.. Nada convencional e muitos podem estranhar, creio eu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Harris Posted August 2, 2007 Author Members Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 Primeiro REVIEW. E saiu o primeiro Review de Atonement! Da Empire Magazine. Atonement (15) Plot1935, and 13 year-old Briony (Ronan) changes the course of several lives when she misreads the relationship between her sister Cecilia (Knightley) and housekeeper’s son Robbie (McAvoy). Later, as World War II rages, she tries to atone for her mistake. Empire Review You know the book. If you use public transport, you’ll recognise it as the one everyone was reading circa 2004. There was that Booker Prize shortlisting, the reams of laudatory articles about its author, Ian McEwan. And now arrives the inevitable film adaptation, which should by rights be as stilted and anaemic an affair as most big-screen versions of ‘serious’ fiction, a (Merchant) ivory tower of self-important emoting from RSC heavyweights. Except that this quality-drenched effort is as stilted as a bellydancer. Where did it all go right? All the hallmarks of the Remains Of The Day school of longing glances, class conflict and stiff-upper-lippery are there. The scene is set in a country house on a hot summer’s day in 1935 (so very A Room With A View) as a little girl plans a play, with her reluctant cousins starring. This is Briony (Saoirse Ronan), aspiring writer and priggish know-it-all. Cosseted by her family, her life experience wouldn’t fill a thimble - but her lack of self-awareness, as she teeters on the brink of adolescence and its attendant hormonal storms, makes her shockingly dangerous. Meanwhile her sister, Cecilia (Keira Knightley), lounges by the pool with brother Leon (Patrick Kennedy) and his friend Paul Marshall (Benedict Cumberbatch, effectively making the skin crawl), keeping her distance from social upstart Robbie (James McAvoy), a scholarship boy with little to recommend him but himself. There’s a careful contrast between the gilded youth of Cecilia and friends, literally glowing in Seamus McGarvey’s burnished cinematography, Robbie’s earthier colours and Briony’s cold little face, pinched with self-importance, all setting up a conflict to come. But it’s the tone that sets this apart from more traditional, ever-so-slightly-fusty inter-War dramas. Mature actors barely get a look in - near-cameos from Brenda Blethyn, Gina McKee and Vanessa Redgrave aside, no-one over the age of 30 even registers. Magical-realist underwater scenes make the stately home seem an idyll, but the oppressive heat that radiates from the screen hints at tension, sexual and otherwise, bubbling under the surface. The most erotic sex scene in years - this despite the fact that both parties remain almost fully dressed - can’t ease the growing dread. Even aside from the World War glowering on the horizon, it’s clear that something is about to go horribly wrong. To say much more about the details, however, would be to risk unbalancing a plot as delicately calibrated as clockwork. If you’ve read the book, you know what’s coming. If you haven’t, count yourself lucky, and watch with your heart in your mouth as events build to a climax barely halfway through. Still, it’s not giving much away to say that we see the central three characters - Cecilia, Robbie and Briony (now played by Romola Garai) - again in 1940, as World War II rages around them. Cecilia and Briony are working as nurses in London, while Robbie is part of the ill-fated British Expeditionary Force, trying desperately to reach the evacuation point at Dunkirk in the darkest days of Britain’s war effort. Their golden youth has faded to something colder, a world that’s watercoloured rather than lit from within. The blue-tinged French countryside through which Robbie and his comrades tramp is already war-weary, while in London nurses march in military formation, colours still undimmed and heads unbowed. They face the same rude awakening that the soldiers have already experienced, but there’s a neat parallel between military and medical roles - everyone faces the harshest realities of war, but the worst, for our three principals, is perhaps already behind them. It’s in this second half that director Joe Wright really fulfils the promise of 2005’s Pride & Prejudice. That was unanticipated before release, overshadowed by a still-loved BBC adaptation, but demonstrated a sure feel for character and nuance from its debutant director. Here, he displays storytelling and technical flair to match his ability with actors. The opening half of Atonement may feel dreamy, but barely wastes a second in building to its shocking conclusion. The second half, although packed with incident, is less pacy, the middle section deliberately slowing to compensate for the novel’s lack of a second act (Briony turns from self-righteous to stricken in the turn of a page). We have the chance to wallow in the mess she has left, and realise the full extent of the crime for which she must atone.But that’s not what’s going to make Wright’s reputation. In one near-wordless, five-minute tracking shot on the beach at Dunkirk, as Robbie’s exhausted troopers stagger in to find not refuge but chaos, Wright stakes a claim to scene of the year. Vignettes - cavalrymen shooting horses to deny the advancing Germans, drunks draining the local bars - form a meticulous picture of the desperate straits of the Allies. Amid the booming artillery, scattered shipwrecks and soldiers searching for food and refuge, Wright keeps turning back to McAvoy’s face, as the best young British actor of our times reflects the weary horror of the day before the ships arrive. The sheer logistics of the shot are impressive, but it’s the emotion that makes this such an astonishing achievement. This is as effective a World War II beach scene as Saving Private Ryan’s opening, a fight for survival of a different kind. But if McAvoy impresses once again, it’s Knightley who finally stakes her claim in a grown-up part. Those cut-glass tones are exactly posh enough to fit Cecilia, a more brittle role than the feisty grrrrls she’s played before and one more suited to her delicate beauty. She might want to specify that Wright direct every film she makes in the future. Romola Garai gets the more difficult role, a character who lives an almost entirely internal life. She does a fine job, but frankly she’s eclipsed by Saoirse Ronan as her 13 year-old self. Such is the quality of the production as a whole that any flaws in the narrative are almost immediately eclipsed by the next accomplished scene. There are contradictions, questions left unanswered. When does Briony realise her mistake? Does she truly believe that atonement is possible, that she can regain some measure of grace? And do we agree? Perhaps, in the end, merely to pose such questions is the point, a measure of the film’s intelligence and its emotional power. VerdictAn adaptation at least as good as the novel - complex, delicate and devastating. Gorgeous cinematography, a lilting score and near-faultless performances, under Wright’s assured direction, make this the first contender for next year’s Best Picture Oscar. Classic Reviewer: Helen OHara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckin Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Viu Rike ? Agora para de te preocupar com o aceitamento do publico oo Lembra de ma, lembra de ma... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Harris Posted August 3, 2007 Author Members Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Hahahahaha. De fato, Beckin, de fato! Estou muito aliviado. Como disse, a obra é extremamente complexa. Posso suspirar tranquilamente. A jornalista me transmitiu confiança e fidelidade em relação ao livro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Harris Posted August 3, 2007 Author Members Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 E o Daily Mail publicou uma pequena resenha. It's the best film of the year. (If I see a better one then, of course, you'll be the first to know.) Elogiam MUITO a performance da Keira Knightley e além de afirmar que é a melhor da carreira dela, deixa subentendido que é uma das melhores do ano. Na íntegra: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/bazbamigboye.html?in_article_id=469624&in_page_id=1794 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Garbage Posted August 3, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Rike eu não achei nada difícil o livro e muito menos o quão seria se fosse adaptado ao cinema, muito pelo contrário. Acho que o McEwan já pensava no cinema quando o escreveu, é extremamente cinematográfico. Muita descrição é feita de roupas, maquiagem, lugares . A cena de sexo tem seis páginas, pois é a visão do Robbie e da Brionny e não deve ter mais que 2 minutos. O que vai ser difícil é a aceitação do povo como o Beckin disse.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Harris Posted August 3, 2007 Author Members Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Rike eu não achei nada difícil o livro e muito menos o quão seria se fosse adaptado ao cinema' date=' muito pelo contrário. Acho que o McEwan já pensava no cinema quando o escreveu, é extremamente cinematográfico. Muita descrição é feita de roupas, maquiagem, lugares . A cena de sexo tem seis páginas, pois é a visão do Robbie e da Brionny e não deve ter mais que 2 minutos. O que vai ser difícil é a aceitação do povo como o Beckin disse.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> [/quote'] Não que o livro seja 'difícil'.. Mas.. Certamente, é bastante complexo. O estudo psicológico que McEwan faz é brilhante e isto me preocupa um pouco. Não acho ele tão cinematográfico. Obviamente, bastante descritivo, mas psicologicamente complexo para ser adaptado. Ainda me pergunto se eles utilizarão o artíficio dos pontos de vista do livro. Espero que sim. Sobre a cena de sexo.. Pois sim. Mas só no ponto de vista de Robbie.. São 6 páginas! Há até um parágrafo completamente metafórico (do abismo), além da imobilidade de meio minuto dos dois (Página 168). Imaginei a seqüência com, no mínimo, 5 minutos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Garbage Posted August 3, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Um olhar, as vezes, vale mais do que mil palavras Rike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Harris Posted August 3, 2007 Author Members Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Um olhar' date=' as vezes, vale mais do que mil palavras Rike.[/quote'] Briony que o diga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members balehead Posted August 3, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 o rike tava mó nervoso, mas eu entendo ele. to quase explodindo por conta do novo filme do Bale, dirigido pelo herzog. no mais, Atonement é um dos que eu espero ansiosamente. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Harris Posted August 5, 2007 Author Members Report Share Posted August 5, 2007 Terminei o livro. Sinceramente, com um final tão ambíguo, tão genial, tão inesperado.. Só quero ver como será a adaptação. BRILHANTE. Uma das melhores obras literárias que já li. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Harris Posted August 6, 2007 Author Members Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Mais alguns comentários bastante animados sobre o filme.. Do The Guardian.. The impressive Atonement, based on Ian McEwan's novel, sets a romance and class study around the Second World War, but it is entirely contemporary in concept. Joe Wright's spetacular screen adaptation of Ian McEwan's Atonement will open the Venice Film Festival on 29 August. E os elogios a Keira persistem.. I don't think Joe will be berating Bafta members for ignoring Keira Knightley this time round (as he had to when she got an Oscar nomination for her role in his Pride & Prejudice, only to be snubbed by voters here). Keira is wonderful as Cecilia Tallis: only Wright seems to get the very best out of her, particularly in a swimsuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ferreple Posted August 10, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Minhas expectavivas são altissimas!! Não duvido nada que o filme será espetacular. Livro é maravilhoso e emocionante. Essas criticas só me animaram ainda mais. Ontem depois que vi os 2 trailers eu disse a um amigo "sinto cheiro de oscar" hehehehehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob Harris Posted August 10, 2007 Author Members Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Tomara Lizzy. Atonement é uma obra psicológica brilhante. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members balehead Posted August 10, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 10, 2007 Tomara Lizzy. Atonement é uma obra psicológica brilhante. Rike me diz onde eu encontro o livro pra ler, to numa secura federal por ele.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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