Members Oswald Posted June 20, 2007 Members Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 medíocre um diretor q sustente um filme em cima de cenas de violência explicitas, hitchcock deve se remexer no caixão a todo momento q lançam filmes dessa estirpe. Quote Link to comment
Members RAZIEL Posted June 21, 2007 Members Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Uma obra prima. É a primeira vez que vejo um filme cujo final pode ser tanto triste quanto feliz, dependendo da opinião de cada um. Muito bom. Quote Link to comment
Members cinefila03 Posted June 21, 2007 Members Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 medíocre um diretor q sustente um filme em cima de cenas de violência explicitas' date=' hitchcock deve se remexer no caixão a todo momento q lançam filmes dessa estirpe. [/quote'] Que isso osvald o filme nem tem tantas cenas violentas assim. Quote Link to comment
Members Monster Posted June 22, 2007 Members Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 O que Hitchcock tem a ver com o filme do Del Toro? Pensei que fossem gêneros diferentes, diretores diferentes, pessoas diferentes... Quote Link to comment
Nacka Posted June 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 medíocre um diretor q sustente um filme em cima de cenas de violência explicitas' date=' hitchcock deve se remexer no caixão a todo momento q lançam filmes dessa estirpe. [/quote'] Que isso osvald o filme nem tem tantas cenas violentas assim. Na verdade tem. Mas Hitchcock descansa em paz, se o outro aí deixar... Quote Link to comment
Members Administrator Posted June 22, 2007 Members Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 medíocre um diretor q sustente um filme em cima de cenas de violência explicitas' date=' hitchcock deve se remexer no caixão a todo momento q lançam filmes dessa estirpe. [/quote'] Que isso osvald o filme nem tem tantas cenas violentas assim. Na verdade tem. Mas Hitchcock descansa em paz, se o outro aí deixar... "Interessantes" comentários... Tem gente que gosta de perder tempo (ou ganhá-lo, dependendo do ponto de vista) conversando fiado, fazendo palavras cruzadas, montando quebra cabeças whatever. Já outros, adoram caçar pêlo em ovo... Eu mereço! The Deadman2007-06-22 16:51:01 Quote Link to comment
Members Thiago Lucio Posted July 1, 2007 Members Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 O termo obra-prima se encaixa perfeitamente neste filme de Del Toro ... O LABIRINTO DO FAUNO - 10/10 Del Toro realiza um belíssimo conto infantil assim como um intenso drama sobre a vida e a morte sob a ótica de uma criança. Perfeição é um conceito bastante relativo, mas tanto tecnica como artisticamente "O Labirinto do Fauno" é uma produção que se aproxima da excelência em todos os sentidos. O que mais me agradou ( é difícil citar algo que não tenha me agradado ) é a maneira como ele vai revelando a natureza de seus personagens, as particularidades do universo criado. A garotinha Ivana Baquero é graciosa e a sua participação é apaixonante e a presença do ator Sergí López é sufocante e aterrorizante de tão boa !!!! Um filme para a eternidade !!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment
Members Administrator Posted July 1, 2007 Members Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 Del Toro realiza um belíssimo conto infantil (...) Conto infantil? Não achei, hehe. Assisti o filme ontem à noite. Maravilhoso Não gosto muito de dar notas, mas este merece: 5/5 Quote Link to comment
Members Jack_Kundeiner Posted July 1, 2007 Members Report Share Posted July 1, 2007 Gostei bastante deste filme, mas não achei surpreendente ou coisa que o valha. O trabalho técnico e o entrelaçamento entre a realidade e a ficção são mesmo excelentes. Quote Link to comment
Members Angelo Voorhees Posted August 23, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Superestimado demais, por culpa de quem encheu a bola eu esperava mais do filme e acabei caindo do cavalo. Mas não é ruim não, só não é isso tudo que falam por aí... Nota: 6/10 Quote Link to comment
Members Administrator Posted August 25, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Roger Ebert, crítico mais famoso dos EUA, já incluiu o filme em sua seleção quinzenal de grandes filmes da história - feito raríssimo, já que na maior parte das vezes ele seleciona clássicos americanos antigos ou gemas européias. GREAT MOVIES Pan's Labyrinth (2006) // / August 25, 2007 By Roger Ebert "Pan's Labyrinth" is one of the greatest of all fantasy films, even though it is anchored so firmly in the reality of war. On first viewing, it is challenging to comprehend a movie that on the one hand provides fauns and fairies, and on the other hand creates an inhuman sadist in the uniform of Franco's fascists. The fauns and fantasies are seen only by the 11-year-old heroine, but that does not mean she's "only dreaming;" they are as real as the fascist captain who murders on the flimsiest excuse. The coexistence of these two worlds is one of the scariest elements of the film; they both impose sets of rules that can get an 11-year-old killed. "Pan's Labyrinth" (2006) took shape in the imagination of Guillermo del Toro as long ago as 1993, when he began to sketch ideas and images in the notebooks he always carries. The Mexican director responded strongly to the horror lurking under the surface of classic fairy tales and had no interest in making a children's film, but instead a film that looked horror straight in the eye. He also rejected all the hackneyed ideas for the creatures of movie fantasy and created (with his Oscar-winning cinematographer, art director and makeup people) a faun, a frog and a horrible Pale Man whose skin hangs in folds from his unwholesome body. The time is 1944 in Spain. Bands of anti-Franco fighters hide in the forest, encouraged by news of the Normandy landings and other setbacks for Franco's friends Hitler and Mussolini. A troop of Franco's soldiers is sent to the remote district to hunt down the rebels, and is led by Capitan Vidal (Sergei Lopez), a sadist under cover as a rigid military man. Maribel Verdu (left) and Ivana Baquero in "Pan's Labyrinth." (Enlarge Image) Commandeering a gloomy old mill as his headquarters, he moves in his new wife, Carmen (Ariadna Gil), who is very pregnant, and her daughter from her first marriage, Ofelia (Ivana Baquero). The girl hates her stepfather, who indeed values Carmen only for breeding purposes. Soon after arriving, Vidal shoots dead two farmers whose rifles, they claim, are only for hunting rabbits. After they die, Vidal finds rabbits in their pouches. "Next time, search these assholes before wasting my time with them," he tells an underling. He orders Mercedes (Maribel Verdu), his chief servant, to cook the rabbits for dinner: "Maybe a stew." What a vile man. Ofelia encounters a strange insect looking like a praying mantis. It shudders in and out of frame, and we're reminded of Del Toro's affection for odd little creatures (as in "Cronos," with its deep-biting immortality bug). The insect, friendly and insistent, seems to her like a fairy, and when she says so, the bug becomes a vibrating little man who leads her into a labyrinth and thus to her first fearsome meeting with the faun (Doug Jones, who specializes in acting inside bizarre costumes). Some viewers have confused the faun with Pan, but there is no Pan in the picture and the international title translates as "Labyrinth of the Faun." The faun seems to be both good and evil; what are we to make of a huge pile of used shoes, especially worrisome in the time of the Holocaust? But what he actually offers is not good or evil, but the choice between them, and Del Toro says in a commentary that Ofelia is "a girl who needs to disobey anything except her own soul." The whole movie, he says, is about choices. (Enlarge Image) The faun fits neatly into Ofelia's worries about her pregnant mother; he gives her a mandrake root to hide under the mother's bed and feed with two drops of blood daily. The mandrake root is said to resemble a penis, but this one, in special effects that are beyond creepy, looks like a half-baby made from wood, leaves and earth. Ofelia discovers that Carmen is aiding the rebels, but keeps her secret because she doesn't want to be responsible for hurting anyone, a trait that will benefit her. The film is visually stunning. The creatures do not look like movie creations but like nightmares (especially the Pale Man, with eyes in the palms of his hands). The baroque organic look of the faun's lair is unlike any place I have seen in the movies. When the giant frog delivers up a crucial key in its stomach, it does so by regurgitating its entire body, leaving an empty frog skin behind. Meanwhile, Vidal plays records on his phonograph, smokes, drinks, shaves as if tempting himself to slash his throat, speaks harshly to his wife, threatens the doctor and shoots people. Del Toro moves between many of these scenes with a moving foreground wipe -- an area of darkness, or a wall or a tree that wipes out the military and wipes in the labyrinth, or vice versa. This technique insists that his two worlds are not intercut, but live in edges of the same frame. He portrays most of the mill interiors in a cold blue-grey slate, but introduces life tones into the faces of characters we favor, and into the fantasy world. It is no coincidence that the bombs of the rebels introduce red and yellow explosions into the monotone world they attack. Guillermo del Toro (born 1964) is the most challenging of directors in the fantasy field because he invents from scratch, or adapts into his own vision. He has made six features since his debut at 29 with "Cronos" (1993), and I have admired, even loved, all of them, even those like "Hellboy," "Mimic" and "Blade II" that did not receive the universal acclaim of "Cronos" and "The Devil's Backbone" (a ghost story also set in Franco's Spain). He is above all a visually-oriented director, and when he says "films are made of looks," I think he is referring not only to the gazes of his actors but to his own. Born in Mexico, he has worked there and overseas, like his gifted friends and contemporaries Alfonso Cuaron (born 1961) and Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu (born 1963). Isn't it time to start talking about a New Mexican Cinema, not always filmed in Mexico but always informed by the imagination and spirit of the nation? Think of Del Toro's remarkable films, and then consider too Cuaron's "Children of Men," "Harry Potter and the Prisoner Of Azkaban" (the best-looking Potter film), "Great Expectations" (an overlooked masterpiece) and "Y Tu Mama Tambien." Or Inarritu's "Amores Perros," "21 Grams" and "Babel." Some of these are in one way or another genre films, but there is so much impact and intensity, and such a richness of visual imagination, that they flatter their genres instead of depending on them. The three directors trade actors and technicians, support each other, make new rules, are successful without compromise. Cauron's 1998 "Great Expectations," set in a Spanish-moss-dripping modern Florida and starring Ethan Hawke, Gwyneth Paltrow and Anne Bancroft (in guess which roles), is a stunning reworking of Dickens and illustrates how all three of these directors can put hands on a project and make it their own. What makes Del Toro's "Pan's Labyrinth" so powerful, I think, is that it brings together two kinds of material, obviously not compatible, and insists on playing true to both, right to the end. Because there is no compromise there is no escape route, and the dangers in each world are always present in the other. Del Toro talks of the "rule of three" in fables (three doors, three rules, three fairies, three thrones). I am not sure three viewings of this film would be enough, however. Quote Link to comment
Members Scarlet Rose Posted August 25, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 De todas as hypes criadas nesse fórum ultimamente, essa foi a única a se confirmar válida (pelo menos para mim). OP!!! Quote Link to comment
Members EdTheTrooper Posted August 25, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 gostei muito do filme, mas não é OP IMO. Quote Link to comment
Members Administrator Posted August 25, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Uma obra-prima que mistura perfeitamente fantasia e realismo. Quote Link to comment
Members Administrator Posted August 25, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Não tenho certeza se devo considerá-lo OP, ainda. Tem tantos elementos sutis para captar, engenhosamente entranhados ao enredo, sejam eles narrativos ou simbólicos. É originalíssimo em sua concepção, e ao concretizá-lo, a direção concilia todas as nuances temáticas com sucesso. Acho que necessito uma revisão - não nesse DVD pobre que lançaram aqui, mas numa futura edição de colecionador (que aliás já tem na região 1). No mínimo, posso dizer que fiquei desconcertado, atordoado ao final da sessão. Uma experiência poderosa, bem forte mesmo. Quote Link to comment
Members EdTheTrooper Posted August 25, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 25, 2007 Uma obra-prima que mistura perfeitamente fantasia e realismo. Mas em compensação tem um ritmo horrível IMO. Quote Link to comment
Members Administrator Posted August 26, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Para mim é OP. Lindo. Quote Link to comment
Members EdTheTrooper Posted August 26, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Para mim é OP. Lindo. Uma obra-prima que mistura perfeitamente fantasia e realismo. Estou me sentindo sozinho, preciso rever . Quote Link to comment
Members Administrator Posted August 26, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Uma obra-prima que mistura perfeitamente fantasia e realismo. Mas em compensação tem um ritmo horrível IMO. Ritmo? Confesso que nem percebi nisso pois estava notando todas as sutilezas e analogias criadas pelo Del Toro. E francamente, não creio que tenha um ritmo horrível, caso houvesse ficaria entediado na sexta vez que vi. Quote Link to comment
Members EdTheTrooper Posted August 26, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Uma obra-prima que mistura perfeitamente fantasia e realismo. Mas em compensação tem um ritmo horrível IMO. Ritmo? Confesso que nem percebi nisso pois estava notando todas as sutilezas e analogias criadas pelo Del Toro. E francamente' date=' não creio que tenha um ritmo horrível, caso houvesse ficaria entediado na sexta vez que vi.[/quote'] sexta??? você precisa sair de casa .Tenho que rever, só vi uma vez e na época não dei muita bola, mas lembro que o filme me emocionou. Quote Link to comment
Members Scarlet Rose Posted August 26, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Para mim é OP. Lindo. Quando um filme resiste à tentação de ser medíocre, vira Op pra mim. Não posso evitar... Quote Link to comment
Members Administrator Posted August 26, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Com o que temos atualmente, Scarlet, isto é E MUITO aceitável. Até DePalma (Dália Negra) e Scorsese (Gangues de Nova York) já se entregaram a essa coisa irresistível. E eu não me emociono facilmente. Nesse filme não me emocionei nenhuma vez, mas não deixo de admirar o Del Toro. Quote Link to comment
Members Cavalca Posted August 26, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 É mega-foda mesmo. E convido quem gostou a ver Ponte Para Terabítia, que divide vários temas (mas não, não é cópia) com ele. Quote Link to comment
Members Administrator Posted August 26, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Só que "Ponte" é mais direcionado ao público infantil, enquanto "Fauno" é para o público adulto. E o primeiro é inferior ao segundo, mesmo sendo também muito bom (um dos melhores do ano, inclusive). Quote Link to comment
Members Bob Harris Posted August 26, 2007 Members Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Labirinto é um dos melhores do ano passado. E assumo.. Chorei bastante ao término da sessão. Quote Link to comment
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