Batman Begins

[clark]

Até a Lois também

[Big One]

 

Eis fotos da Premiere de Los Angelis:

 

Carro feio sim' date=' mas funcional! Pq carrinho bonitinho e cheio de frescuras, é pra Penélope Charmosa!!!

Até Lex Luthor deu as caras!

Kate ´Merchan´ Holmes, sem Cruise ´Credo´!!! Thanks Katie!!!

Tá pegando bem, hein Gary!!!

 

 

 

 

 

[/quote']

 

 

 

Eh Lex Luthor de Smallville..hauahaua...eu não estava reconhecendo...

 

 

 

Katie...

 

 

 

Gary Oldman rocks...este eh o cara...(pô o cara acabou de acordar)

 

 

 

Ateh q enfim uma foto da Premiere sem o Tom Cruise...heheheh...

 

 

 

 

[Administrator]

 
Tudo que eu quero' date=' na verdade, é apenas ter uma discussão inteligente sobre um filme, e nada além disso...[/quote']

É exatamente o que eu quero.

 Contudo' date=' o que vejo sendo feito aqui por alguns membros nesses últimos tempos é uma tremenda falta de respeito... [/quote']

Pelo contrário. O problema é que este tópico sofre do mal que assola o forum de SDA: meia dúzia de fãzóides geeks e freaks que acham que forum de discussão é so pra falar bem de determinado filme, só babar ovo, e ai de quem questionar alguma coisa. Se não fosse por mim, Ug ou Solto, por exemplo, isto aqui seria restrito apenas ao clube dos fãzóides.

Se o Ug, por exemplo, questiona que não gostou do novo trailer ele não está ofendendo ninguém, ou se eu achei a nova trilha sonora uma bosta não estou xingando sua mãe. Só fãzóide pensa assim.

Quanto a eu ser um novato' date=' sim, realmente sou um novato, nessa lista de discussão a respeito do filme, meu caro... Contudo, acompanho a produção do filme desde quando começou a boataria sobre quem iria ser o diretor e sobre quem encarnaria Bruce Wayne/Batman nesse novo filme, o que já faz algum tempo... Acompanho-a desde quando ela ainda se chamava Batman: Intimidation...

[/quote']

Eu tbm cara. Talvez até antes. Mas isso não significa que eu sou obrigado a concordar com tudo que fazem.

 Agora' date=' se queres me considerar um novato e um desinformado só porque participo a pouco tempo desse tópico, tudo bem meu caro, nada posso fazer a esse respeito... A democracia na qual vivemos nos permite ter opiniões próprias, graças a Deus... Contudo, o bom-senso diz que devemos respeitar a opinião alheia, algo que não vejo em muitas pessoas por aqui....

Sunderhus
[/quote']

Com certeza, os fãzóides deveriam aprender a respeitar a opinião dos não fãs.

[sunderhus]

 

 

Tudo que eu quero' date=' na verdade, é apenas ter uma discussão inteligente sobre um filme, e nada além disso...[/quote']

É exatamente o que eu quero.

 Contudo' date=' o que vejo sendo feito aqui por

alguns membros nesses últimos tempos é uma tremenda falta de

respeito... [/quote']

Pelo contrário. O problema é que este tópico sofre do mal que assola

o forum de SDA: meia dúzia de fãzóides geeks e freaks que acham que

forum de discussão é so pra falar bem de determinado filme, só babar

ovo, e ai de quem questionar alguma coisa. Se não fosse por mim, Ug ou

Solto, por exemplo, isto aqui seria restrito apenas ao clube dos

fãzóides.

Se o Ug, por exemplo, questiona que não gostou do novo trailer ele

não está ofendendo ninguém, ou se eu achei a nova trilha sonora uma

bosta não estou xingando sua mãe. Só fãzóide pensa assim.

Quanto a eu ser um novato' date=' sim, realmente sou um

novato, nessa lista de discussão a respeito do filme, meu caro...

Contudo, acompanho a produção do filme desde quando começou a boataria

sobre quem iria ser o diretor e sobre quem encarnaria Bruce

Wayne/Batman nesse novo filme, o que já faz algum tempo... Acompanho-a

desde quando ela ainda se chamava Batman: Intimidation...

[/quote']

Eu tbm cara. Talvez até antes. Mas isso não significa que eu sou obrigado a concordar com tudo que fazem.

 Agora' date=' se queres me considerar um novato e um

desinformado só porque participo a pouco tempo desse tópico, tudo bem

meu caro, nada posso fazer a esse respeito... A democracia na qual

vivemos nos permite ter opiniões próprias, graças a Deus... Contudo, o

bom-senso diz que devemos respeitar a opinião alheia, algo que não vejo

em muitas pessoas por aqui....

 

Sunderhus

[/quote']

Com certeza, os fãzóides deveriam aprender a respeitar a opinião dos não fãs.

 

 

 

Concordo contigo, meu caro... O que digo, aqui, não é uma questão de

que sua opinião a respeito do filme vem a ofender... Todos os membros

tem todo o direito de gostar ou não do filme, contudo, o que vejo é um

desrespeito a opinião alheia, com pessoas xingando uns aos outros,

acusando uns aos outros de idiotas e babacas (e eu mesmo em certo

momento acabei fazendo isso)... Você tem todo o direito de não gostar

do filme, concordo plenamente... Até eu, que sou fã de Batman, posso

vir a postar algo que eu não goste no filme (o Bat-Tanque é um deles,

por exemplo, mas adotei a atitude de esperar até o filme estrear para

ver como ele se comporta dentro de Gotham, ao invés de continuar

criticando e chovendo no molhado)... Agora, algumas palavras que, não

só você, mas outras pessoas utilização ao tecerem suas críticas acabam

sendo completamente ofensivas aos outros membros, e isso é o que me

irrita...

 

 

 

Sunderhus

 

 

[Big One]

Mais uma crítica positva adicionada no Rotten...ainda eh cedo...deve chegar por volta de 150 reviews.

 

 

 

 

 

RATING: FRESH  READING: 77% (FRESH = 60% or Greater)

Reviews counted: 13 Fresh: 10  Rotten: 3 Average Rating: 7.1/10

 

 

 

 

[Administrator]

Na verdade eu acho difícil que este filme supere o Batman - O Retorno. Embora eu reconheça suas falhas' date=' acho este um filme maravilhoso...

[/quote']

é uma opinião bastante pessoal, tenho sérias ressalvas
com aquele filme, do tipo que não dá pra ser fã com
mais de 12 anos. mas respeito.
diga o que voce gostaria de esperar de um filme como
batman begins?

TODAS as opiniões são pessoais. Não pense que não...

Eu já acho que não da pra ser fã de quadrinhos com mais de 12 anos, mas respeito também.

Eu reconheço que Batman - O Retorno é um guilty pleasure, mas nenhum filme de quadrinho que eu vi até hoje (espero que Sin City mude isso) contém questões que eu considere válidas para adultos.

Ademais, aquele tem Michelle Pfeifer.

[Administrator]

Concordo' date=' e eu já devo ter comentado aqui que os filmes do Burton só empolgaram quando eu era criança. Hoje acho apenas BONS filmes, nada mais.

[/quote']

Eu também os considero apenas BONS filmes. Mas gosto bastante...

E o que o Maul falou eu assino embaixo: vcs realmente acha que este filme vai ser mais do que bom? Espero estar enganado, mas...

[begins]

BATMAN BEGINS

 

BATMAN BEGINS , USA , 2005, MPAA Rating : PG-13 for intense action

violence, disturbing images and some thematic elements

 

 

Superheroes

say much about the culture that spawned them, and so it is with the

various incarnations of Batman. In the 60s, he was a pop icon with more

than a little camp fluttering around his satin go-go boots. In the 80s

and 90s, it was a wallow in excess with sets that duked it out with the

actors for attention and villains that out-cartooned the cartoons on

which they were based. For the millennium, there is BATMAN BEGINS,

wherein the Dark Knight is re-imagined as a ninja warrior going on an

inner journey from the darkness to the, well, if not light exactly, at

least enlightenment, though even that proves to be a murky sort of

place for Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale).

 

The

darkness is brought on by two traumas to the young Bruce, a rich kid

whose best friend is the maid’s daughter, Rachel (Katie Holmes as the

grown up version), and whose parents are not just the perfect couple

and the perfect parents, they’re also socially responsible. It’s a

quality Bruce has trouble clinging to after falling down a well where

he’s terrified by the bats he’s riled up, and later, when he sees his

parents gunned down in a classic senseless street crime. Fortunately,

Bruce still has the family’s faithful butler, Alfred (Michael Caine as

a dryly witty Jiminy Cricket) to play surrogate father, but it’s not

enough to counter his inner demons. Bruce drifts emotionally and

spatially, eventually ending up in an Asian prison, from which he’s

sprung by a mysterious, and surprisingly nattily attired Brit (Liam

Neeson), who, with the help of a traditionally black-clad ninja troop,

challenges him to confront his fears and turn them to his advantage.

 

For

a film that is a frank meditation on the difference between anger and

fear, and between justice and revenge, there is refreshingly little

speechifying once Bruce leaves the secret fortress of the League of

Shadows, where he’s trained in the kinds of martial arts designed to

dazzle, debilitate, and defeat any number of enemies. Actually, there’s

refreshingly little there, either. Christopher Nolan, director and

co-writer David S. Goyer, remains true to the action component of the

story, but that doesn’t stop him from elevating it, turning the action

sequences into credible externalizations of Bruce’s inner turmoil. In

fact, using a palette suffused with shadows and a chronology that is

emotionally, if not temporally, true, traversing the inner emotional

landscape rife is a far more dangerous proposition than doing battle

with Gotham’s crime lord, played by Tom Wilkinson as satisfied and sleek as a prosperous sewer rat.

 

Nolan

and Goyer have also, while not eschewing the fantasy elements involved,

put a sense of the real world into this Batman. Bruce may have the

reflexes of a warrior god, but he hasn’t thought about what happens

when his run-ins with the bad guys lead to a fall from a very high

place. That’s when the cape that doubles as a parachute is added to the

light body armor and other golly gee whiz gadgets dreamed up by Lucius

Fox (Morgan Freeman in self-deprecating Buddha mode), Wayne Enterprises

R&D guy.

 

There

are a few clunks. It’s virtually impossible to see Neeson training Bale

in the niceties of using a samurai sword and not flash onto his

character in THE PHANTOM MENACE. The evil psychiatrist, Dr. Crane

(Cillian Murphy), who runs the deliciously monikered Arkham Asylum,

looks to be all of 20, and Gary Oldman, decked out in nerd finery circa

1975, is wasted as the essentially bland Sgt Gordon, the one good cop

in Gotham’s otherwise rancid police department.

 

Bale,

fortunately, is not a clunk. Suitably brawny and with the lips to carry

off the mask, he isn’t asked to chew the scenery with his angst.

Instead, subtlety is the key here and Nolan has Bale make a credible

transition from narcissistic grief to a troubled introspection that

stops just short or actual happiness. Gimlet-eyed behind the mask, with

a voice pitched low into a menacing rasp that his as intimidating as

the ninja star Bruce has modified into a bat shape, or any of the other

weapons in his utility belt. And there is a nice rapport with Caine,

who never coddles his charge, but does fret about things such as coming

up with a credible explanation for the injuries Bruce suffers after a

night of crime fighting.

 

Much

of the fun of BATMAN BEGINS is watching the pieces fall into place: the

bat cave that becomes the Bat Cave, and the way Bruce’s eyes light up

when he first sees what will become the Batmobile. But along with the

fun, and there's plenty of that, there's a level of sophistication not

seen before in this film franchise, a willingness to ponder the big

questions and to respond to some of them with an answer that is

bittersweet.

 

  My rating:

 

 

http://www.killermoviereviews.com/main.php?nextlink=display& amp;dId=586&subLinks=

 

 

 

[begins]

REVIEW:

BATMAN BEGINS (2005)

Source:David Server - DV-H! Staff
6th June 2005 05:05 PM

As
many of you know, summer movie season is upon us, and here to kick it
off is the Caped Crusader himself, in director Chris Nolan’s Batman Begins.
Many fans and casual filmgoers alike will be curious to see this latest
entry in the bat-franchise, as the last series of Bat-flicks started
with a bang under the genius direction of famed wacko Tim Burton, but
fizzled to a mind-numbingly terrible close with Joel Schumacher’s
dreadful Batman & Robin (the infamous ‘bat-nipples’ are now a thing of legend, so let’s not beleaguer them here…).



Suffice to say, it was time for a reboot, and DC and Warner Brothers
made a series of increasingly clever moves in their attempt to relaunch
the dead franchise. They hired screenwriter (and consummate fanboy)
David Goyer to pen the script. They brought on talented newcomer Chris
Nolan (Memento)
to direct. And last but not least, in a practically unprecedented nod
of approval to fanboy dreamcasting, they selected actor Christian Bale (American Psycho)
to portray the Dark Knight himself, and proceeded to surround him with
A-list actors in the supporting parts. Seems to me there’s no way this
could go wrong. Well, sadly, that’s not entirely true. While Batman Begins
is ambitious in its attempt to create a complex, dark, and realistic
new take on the Batman-mythos, the final product is hit-or-miss, with
enough problems to prevent it from being the definitive take on the
Dark Knight.



The film begins with Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale) traveling abroad as
an enraged adult, blindly seeking vengeance for his parents’ murder
when he was a child. After being freed from a derelict prison in the
Far East, Bruce is recruited by Ducard (Liam Neeson) to join the League
of Shadows, an elite ninja crime-fighting organization headed by the
mysterious Ra’s Al Ghul (Ken Watanabe). After training with the League
and learning the importance of fear, varied combat, and of course,
theatricality, Bruce discovers that the League’s next plan is to
destroy Wayne’s home, Gotham City, as punishment for its unparalleled
corruption. After refusing to join their plot, Bruce quite literally
blows the coop, and returns to Gotham to restore justice and order with
his newfound skills.



Upon arriving, Bruce is greeted by his longtime butler and faithful
servant Alfred Pennyworth (Michael Caine), who resituates Bruce to the
corruption that has flourished in Gotham during his time abroad. We
then begin to meet the remaining cast of characters: Rachel Dawes
(Katie Holmes), assistant DA and Bruce’s former flirtation, Lt. James
Gordon (Gary Oldman), the only good cop left in Gotham, Carmine Falcone
(Tom Wilkinson), the deadly crime-boss who owns most of Gotham, Lucius
Fox (Morgan Freeman), head of the R&D division at Wayne
Enterprises, and Dr. Jonathan Crane (Cillian Murphy), head of
psychiatrics at Arkham Asylum, who is more than he appears to be.



The film is clearly the work of talented craftsmen, but it tries so
hard to squeeze in so much backstory and realism that it squeezes out a
lot of the fun. Batman’s new origin with Ra’s Al Ghul seems rushed, but
at the same time, we already take at least an hour to get to the first
appearance of the Dark Knight in his full costume (it’s worth noting
that Batman himself is in surprisingly little of the film). Some of the
ideas here are great, and deserve more time, such as the emotionally
compelling conflict between Bruce and the sleazy Carmine Falcone, or
the sinister experiments being done behind closed doors at Arkham by
Dr. Crane. Meanwhile, other plots (that later expand to take over the
film), such as the continuing conflict with the League of Shadows,
which de-evolves into a very standard-fare doomsday device cliché, seem
silly and over-the-top by comparison. Ultimately, only half of the
ideas present seem to coalesce within the Batman mythology, while
others seem at best tangential, and at worst, forced and far-fetched. I
imagine a much better, leaner film could have been made with only half
the ideas present in this movie. As it stands, you’re so busy trying to
keep up that the film rarely stops to relish the bits that are meant to
be heart-pounding and entertaining. The film could have retained its
dark and respectful tone without sacrificing the excitement the genre
is known for.



The performances are largely not at fault, as the cast is, as
previously mentioned, top notch. No one is poor in the film, only
underused. Christian Bale’s Bruce Wayne is solid, if somewhat
underwhelming. Personally, I found that in a movie insisting that Bruce
Wayne is the façade and Batman the true underlying personality, Bruce
seemed awfully emotionally balanced and in control. That quibble aside
(one I find to be largely significant to their problematic
characterization), which is admittedly more against the script than the
actor, Bale’s performance as Wayne is heartfelt and well performed. His
Batman is appropriately menacing, despite his brief amount of
screentime. The true strength here comes from the supporting cast.
Michael Caine is great as Alfred Pennyworth, imbuing the famed Butler
with an emotional core rarely seen in other interpretations of the
character. Morgan Freeman also makes a strong impression with his small
role as Lucius Fox, both wry and entertaining in his appearances.
Cillian Murphy is a diabolical delight as the villainous Dr. Crane,
alias The Scarecrow. Truly, his reduced role is the largest crime in
the overstuffed film, as his villain deserved far more time to shine,
be it as his crisp yet slippery Doctor persona, or as the drug-induced
horror that is The Scarecrow himself.



Not everyone is so engaging, however. Gary Oldman sleepwalks his way
through the movie as Lt. Gordon, who basically exists just so he can
become Commissioner in later films. His relationship with Batman is by
the books, and never anything more than standard. Katie Holmes’ Rachel
Dawes is an obviously unnecessary studio-induced love-interest, and she
never feels like anything more. And Liam Neeson’s role is so fragmented
that it’s difficult to appreciate the full weight that it’s meant to
represent.



The movie struggles to place everything in the real world, so much so
that it sometimes forgets to have any fun. While each bat-gadget is
scientifically proven to the point of practically reading you the
instruction manual, they are rarely put to use in scenes that truly get
your blood pumping. In this desperate attempt to situate this new
Batman in the real world, we lose some of the gothic mystery that is
supposed to make Batman such an intriguing character, essentially
demystifying the hero every step of the way. Perhaps Batman was meant
to remain in the shadows, because seeing all the secrets feels like
revealing all of a magician’s tricks.



That’s not to say that the film is completely devoid of enjoyable
moments (such as the revved up Batmobile chase sequence), or even
without one or two truly great ones. In a scene that I can only
describe as superb, Batman takes down his first group of thugs. But
here’s the genius twist: it’s shot from the thugs’ perspective. As
though watching a scene from a horror movie, we see terrified crooks
being yanked into the darkness with a yelp by an unseen force, as
though they are being stalked by some monster, some deadly creature of
the night. This scene is scary, which makes it inspired. With this
scene, we finally understand how crooks in Gotham could ever believe
that they’re being chased by some kind of animal, instead of just some
guy in a bat costume. For a brief moment, the film achieves perfection.
The unfortunate downside to this is that when the fighting finally does
emerge from the shadows for the rest of the movie, it’s overly edited
and largely unsatisfying. While the previous bat-films may have
suffered stiff fight sequences from a restrictive bat-suit, at least we
could see them. Here, the fights are choppy, disappointing, and
unoriginal.



Batman Begins is not a bad film by any stretch, nor is it a bad entry into the Batman
series. While it suffers from some basic structural problems, it has
the potential to kick off an exciting new branch of the franchise,
placing some very talented people in some very key roles for the
planned sequels. And in spite of all my gripes, just the fact that
those involved have so much respect for the material that they’re
working on places it miles ahead of the ghastly Joel Schumacher
atrocities. Some will say that this is the best Batman film to
date, the definitive celluloid take on the Dark Knight. But personally,
I’ll take the distant glances of Michael Keaton’s Bruce Wayne, and the
grimy streets of Burton’s exquisitely gothic Gotham City any day. Of
course, I have no doubt there will be a new threat in this slick new
Gotham before too long, and my interest is certainly piqued enough to
return for the next go-‘round, and another chance to steal the crown
away from the Burton flicks. Have they done it yet? I say they haven’t.
But I’m still eagerly awaiting the next dark night with this new Dark
Knight to prove me wrong.

  

DEVELOPMENT-HELL.COM RATING:
	out of 5

[begins]

http://www.development-hell.com/review_detail.php?idreview=1 5

 

 

 

o site da critica acima

 

 

 

 

 

[begins]

Galera,acabei de pensar numa hsitoria da porra pa Batman Continues(ou Year TWO,ou Begins 2):

 

    Batman continua na sua intensa luta contra o crime

em Gotham City.Eis q surge  um novo vilãochamado Jack Snipr,q

ameaça explodir um fábrica de produtos quimicos.Batman vai na

fabrica,enfrenta seus capangas e encurrala Jack.Numa atitude

desesperada,ele pula do primeiro andar d afabrica,porem acaba caindo em

uma poça ácida.A fabrica explode,e Batman csg fugir,salvando Jack.

 

    Dois meses depois,Jack sai novamente para o crime em

Gotham,desta vez denominado Coringa,e com sede de vingança contra

Batman,no qual,julga ter sido culpado pelo q lhe aconteceu.Depois do

desenrola do filme,Coringa resolve da uma surra em Batman.Ja q ele nao

tem fisico e porte para o Homem Morcego,contrata os serviços do matador

criminoso Bane.Bane tem 2 encontros com Batman de arrepiar.O Pau

come.Porém Batman consegue digamos,vencer.Bane não morre,mas se afasta

para se recuperar da surra q levou no segundo embate.

 

No final Batman prende o  Coringa,porem no julgamento.o vilão se

revolta e diz q tem q fazer com alguem,o q Batman fez com ele.ELe tira

um pote acido do bolso e atira em direçao de Bruce Wayne.Porem Harvey

Dent,grande amigo de Bruce,se joga na frente,ja q v Bruce

desatencioso,procurando algo no bolso.Dent acaba sendo atingido,sendo

levado para o hospital.

 

As ultimas duas cenas do filme mostram,Dent acordando e olhando para o espelho,fazendo com q a enfermeira desmai.ele diz

 

          -Coringa,Batman,ohh,Gotham City.Todos me pagam!!

 

w a ultima,mostra o morcegao observando a cidade,quando ve uam loja eh

assaltada,e de longe ele ve,O Chapeleiro Maluco.E da um salto em

direção ao bandido.desce,quebra todos os capangas.pega o Chapaleiro e

diz.

 

- Quem é voce?

 

O Maluco responde:

 

- sou a mais nova mente criminosa de Gothm e vc?

 

Uma musica de fundo surgi

 

e O cAVALEIRO das trevas,desfere a frase.

 

-I'm Batman!!!

 

e faz gesto como se fosse suspender o vilao,a capa do heroi cobre a cena.e aparece a frase

 

TO BE CONTINUED...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hahah

 

digam se nao seria massa

 

 

 

 

 

[Administrator]

Seria parecido com o seriado da TV, ou seja, muito cômico...

[Administrator]

Seria parecido com o seriado da TV' date=' ou seja, muito cômico...[/quote']

Vc jura que leu Ug?

Pq eu nem tento, to esperando ele aprender a escrever primeiro.

[begins]

 

hahahaha

 

vc eh engraçado Darth

 

num quer ler nao leia.to cagando e andando pa vc

 

agora eu vo parar pa escrever certinho pq o titio Darth q le bonitinho.

 

a vai se lasca porra

 

 

 

 

begins38511.8073263889

[Big One]

Ateh que enfim uma crítica que fala bem

e mal do filme sem paracer fã e sem ser incoerente com o personagem.

David Server, diz que as atuações são ótimas, com um elenco A, nada de

novo ateh aki, diz que o Espantalho detona, aliás não li uma crítica

sequer falando mal do Espantalho, este personagem promete. Diz que o

filme exagera nas explicações das armas do Batman, que seria mais

interessante que o filme deixasse algumas coisas sem esplicação pra

manter o mistério em torno do Batman, concordo, não precisa explicar

tudo, mas enfim, só vendo mmo pra saber qto tempo eles vão dispensar

nisso.

 

 

 

Por falar em tempo, ele faz a velha reclamação de que o Batman demora

pra aparecer, cerca de 1 hora, ou metade do filme, acho isso relativo,

pois ser o filme estiver interessante, não fica cansativo, claro que o

filme eh do Homem Morcego e todos querem vê-lo mmo. Vale lembrar que no

debut movie do Super ele demorou 50 minutos pra aparecer, e eh um

grande filme. Que acontece muita coisa no filme, e q eles deveriam

cortar metade e deixar o filme mais fun, tenho medo estes "fun" pode

significar na concepção dele.

 

 

 

Diz q o Lt Gordon, está lá só pra participar de uma continuação,

burocraticamente seria, e que o papel do Lian Nesson eh tão fragmentado

que eh eh dificil apreciá-lo. E que o maior crime do filme eh não ter

dado mais espaço pro Espantalho que eh "diabólico". Por outro lado

elogia as cenas de ção, a perseguição do The Trumbler, e critica as

lutas, "não originais". A elogia muto a atuação do Bale, outro que vem

sendo elogiado em todas as críticas, onde a atuação dele eh apontada

como sólida.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

REVIEW:

 

BATMAN BEGINS (2005)

 

Source:David Server - DV-H! Staff

6th June 2005 05:05 PM

 

 

[clark]

Recomendo a moderação que faça uma limpeza nesse tópico.Está cheio de posts com brigas e discussões bobas que não acrescentam em nada o tema proposto.

[Administrator]

Na verdade eu acho difícil que este filme supere o Batman - O Retorno. Embora eu reconheça suas falhas' date=' acho este um filme maravilhoso...

[/quote']

Eu acho que Batman Begins supera Batman - O Retorno... e muito!

[Salame]

Parte 3:

THE BOF BATMAN BEGINS REVIEW PREVIEW, Part 3
Wednesday, June 8, 2005
Author: Jett

Friday, June 3rd was the day of the “roundtable” interviews. On the schedule were most of the major cast (Christian Bale, Katie Holmes, Michael Caine, Gary Oldman, Morgan Freeman), producers (Charles Roven and Emma Thomas), screenwriter (David S. Goyer), and the director (Christopher Nolan). The interviews would take place at the Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel, which was the headquarters of the press junket

We were not due to start until 3:15 PM, with a 2:45 PM check-in. I spent the day mostly in my room, working on BOF and doing some additional prep for the interviews. Around noon, I packed my gear, checked out, stored my bags, and headed on up to the 8th floor hospitality suite.

There, I found the place to be much more active than it was the previous day. Warner Bros. reps and various media types milled around the many rooms doing their thing. I headed into the largest room of the suite - where the Ra’s Al Ghul costume was located - and found myself a place on a large couch. On the wall across from where I was sitting, was a large HD wall TV playing various extended scenes from the film. At first, I thought they were showing a DVD of the film - which fired me up to say the least. I quickly found out that wasn’t the case, although some of the best scenes of the film was being presented.

After watching several “loops” of various scenes from BATMAN BEGINS, I made my way into the dinning area where they were serving lunch. What a spread! I filled my plate along with everyone else, found a small table to sit, and enjoyed some very excellent chow.

The roundtables were to take place on the 6th floor. I was to be in “group four” and assigned room 617. I left the hospitality suite, walked down to the elevators, and made my way two floors down. I was fooling with some equipment in my bag as I walked out of the elevator, and out of the corner of my eye, I saw someone. My lack of attention almost caused me to run into this person, but I avoided them at the last minute. “Excuse me,” I said as I looked up to find Katie Holmes standing right next to me! “No problem,” she muttered, as she walked off talking to a Warner Bros. rep.

I soon found room 617 and entered to find about ten or so other reporters sitting around - and no chairs. I found myself a spot along the table, directly across from where the cast and crew were to be sitting. It was a bit uncomfortable having to stand for an hour and a half, but I actually had a good view of the surroundings.

A few minutes after our designated start time, the first pair was ushered into the room - producer Charles Roven and screenwriter David S. Goyer. It was announced that Goyer had laryngitis (which a writer had told me about a few days earlier), and he was indeed speaking in very hushed tones. Most of the questions were directed at Goyer and pertained to BATMAN BEGINS, but also THE FLASH, which Goyer is writing and Roven is producing. “I haven’t even finished it,” Goyer says of the project. “Chuck [Roven] is one of the producers on it. He’s riding me to finish it. Until I finish it, then we’ll get into who might play him.” Ryan Reynolds as The Flash is a hot rumor making the rounds of late. Will he play the Scarlet Speedster? “Who knows,” says Goyer, “he’s not attached.”

Roven had high praise for the talent in BATMAN BEGINS. “The actors could take lines, and in other hands, may not be as warm or funny. Their delivery and timing was exceptional. Michael Caine’s timing is incredible. Morgan Freeman’s timing is just incredible, you know.”

Everyone wanted to know was about any future sequel. "Who knows, honestly,” says Goyer. “I'm not being coy, but none of us are signed for another yet. We're all sort of waiting to see what Chris wants to do, so we'll see."

Roven and Goyer were asked about what kind of mandate they were given by Warner Bros. Says Roven, “The studio had kind of decided - before our involvement - to try revive the BATMAN franchise. And they had been working on it for a couple of years. They knew they wanted to do something different than what the character was in BATMAN AND ROBIN, and they were trying different things - not knowing exactly what they wanted. But when Jeff Robinov came on as president of production, with Alan Horn, they sort of focused on doing an origination story. And when Chris Nolan came in to talk to them - along with David - they too thought it was best to do an origination story. And one that would be grounded in reality. And that’s really how it [BATMAN BEGINS] came about.”

For some reason, the abandoned BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN was brought up. Producer Charles Roven says that the script - penned by Andrew Kevin Walker - is “great.“ BATMAN BEGINS clearly shows that there is more life in the franchise. And I think if there was another BATMAN done in the near future - if any of us were involved - most probably would flow from this. Plus, you also have to wait and see what Brian Singer‘s SUPERMAN is going to be. And I don‘t think a ‘Batman/Superman‘ movie is even going to be brought up again until those kind decisions are made.” Says Goyer, “With this new film, we certainly aren’t going to do it for a while. Maybe one day.”

(A NOTE FROM JETT : Much has been made of this online, and in my opinion, taken out of context. Yes, BvS was a good script - but it is clearly a sequel to the previous BATMAN films, as well as the Richard Donner SUPERMAN. It was have to be completely revamped - or totally re-written - to fit. I’m not holding my breath here. Clearly, Mr. Roven was simply keeping options open. He never indicated it was in the works.)

Roven talked about what Christian Bale brought to the role of Batman. “The thing about Christian that is so amazing is that he has the ability to do all the things that were required of Bruce Wayne and all the incarnations of the character. He needed to be able to give the darkness of the real Bruce Wayne, he need to be able to give the physicality of Batman, and he needed to be able to give the light touch and charm of the public Bruce Wayne. And if you know anything about Christian, he throws himself into his roles completely in every way. Plus, he did a screen test that blew everyone away.”

“We wanted to link Bruce to Gotham in a way that had never been done before,” says Goyer. “And we wanted to link his father to Gotham.“ The reason is that it makes Batman’s mission is that much more personal and important. “We wanted to create a character that has a lot of lightness and darkness within him,” says Roven. “Just like the bad guys do. And show exactly how close we are as humans, you know, to doing good and bad. We’ve got them both inside us.” “But Bruce,” says Goyer, “never crosses that line.”

Next up was Sir Michael Caine and Katie Holmes.

 

Sir Michael walked in very exuberant, “Hello all,” was how he greeted us as he walked in and sat down. Did you like the movie,” he asked us. “Good,” he said as well all told him yes. It makes our job a lot easier.” Asked if he did any research about the Alfred character, “I did a back story on him,” Caine told us. “I wanted him to be tough. He was a sergeant in the SAS, got wounded, and went into the sergeant’s mess, because he didn’t want to leave the Army. He learned all that serving drinks and stuff and got picked up by Bruce Wayne’s father.”

When talk of a sequel was broached, Caine says, “I would like to do a sequel, if there is one. Sir Michael also told us that he’s certainly glad that he didn’t have to wear a costume. “Oh my God, I don’t want to strap on anything. I was a soldier; I couldn’t wait to get the packs off my bags.” He ads, “I remember Christian talking about how hot the suit was. He left puddles of sweat behind him. I liked my wardrobe, I hate even having to wear a wig - it means you have to be on the set an hour earlier.”

Caine also commented on Christian Bale’s transformation into Batman. “He was great to work with and he’s dedicated. What he did with himself physically was amazing. I’d seen him in AMERICAN PSYCHO, and he was kind of thin. If I had know about [THE MACHINIST], I’d have completely freaked out! Then I showed up on the set [of BATMAN BEGINS] and there was Arnold Schwarzenegger standing there.” When asked how he would like to see his character develop in a sequel, Caine quipped, “Longer. More screen time. “

Ms. Holmes was a bit more reserved that Caine, many times deferring questions to him. She told us “It was quite a thrill to get the role of Rachel. I really liked her strength,” she continued. She‘s worked for everything she ever got.” Rachel Dawes was one of the few characters created just for the film. Says Holmes, “The back story [for Rachel] was already there [for me]. She grew up with Bruce in that house. Her mom was a servant there. So it was all pretty much there on page. It was fun to think about the experiences her and Bruce may have had growing up, and how that would come into play as they got older. And that came into play in the story.”

She too is up for a sequel, “I really liked the story. I’d love to do another one. I loved working on this movie, BATMAN BEGINS.” Holmes also said that she loved working with Cillian Murphy, who plays “The Scarecrow” in the film. “It was wonderful working with Cillian, he’s a great actor. We had a nice time. He was really creepy in the movie. I didn’t like that mask,” she said of the burlap sack Dr. Crane uses. “I mean I liked it, it was just really creepy.”

Both were asked of their most surreal moment while working on BATMAN BEGINS. “For me,” Caine said, “was when I walked into the Batcave for the first time. You see, it was a set at Shepperton Studios on a soundstage - which was the first place I ever said a line in a movie. I had eight lines in the picture, and messed up six.” I told them ‘Those are great false bats in the ceiling.’ And they said ‘those aren’t false, they’re real. They are asleep.’ Then the waterfall started - it was a massive set, just massive.”

Holmes said that the first time walking into the Gotham City set was her surreal moment. “It is just incredible place. I felt that I was in a real city.” This prompted Caine to interject, “I’ve got news for you about the sequel - They haven‘t pulled that set down. I’ve never told anyone that. It is still there.” “I know,” Holmes chimed in. Caine continued, “And it’s really Chicago, quite weird. Quite strange.”

“My respect for Christopher Nolan is quite incredible,” says Caine. “I was intrigued that the man behind INSOMNIA and MEMENTO would be directing a big budget film like this and they trusted him with it - a hundred million dollar picture. But I love it. I’ve seen the picture now and I just love it.”

NEXT: Morgan Freeman and Gary Oldman

J.C.C38511.9218402778

[Salame]

Concordo' date=' e eu já devo ter comentado aqui que os filmes do Burton só empolgaram quando eu era criança. Hoje acho apenas BONS filmes, nada mais.

[/quote']

Eu também os considero apenas BONS filmes. Mas gosto bastante...

E o que o Maul falou eu assino embaixo: vcs realmente acha que este filme vai ser mais do que bom? Espero estar enganado, mas...

Também espero.

[Administrator]

Na verdade eu acho difícil que este filme supere o Batman - O Retorno. Embora eu reconheça suas falhas' date=' acho este um filme maravilhoso...

[/quote']

Eu acho que Batman Begins supera Batman - O Retorno... e muito!

Vc já viu?

[adam_jones_1]

Recomendo a moderação que faça uma limpeza nesse tópico.Está cheio de posts com brigas e discussões bobas que não acrescentam em nada o tema proposto.

 

 

 

 

 

50% de tudo que há no fórum do cinema em cena é flood

 

ou briga, e nem por isso boa parte são deletados.

 

sem falar naquele lixo do seroni endoreli.

 

 

 

acho injusto, mas tudo bem, quem sou eu pra dizer alguma

 

coisa.

[adam_jones_1]

Seria parecido com o seriado da TV' date=' ou seja, muito cômico...[/quote']

 

Vc jura que leu Ug?

 

Pq eu nem tento, to esperando ele aprender a escrever primeiro.

 

 

 

e voce deveria aprender a ser humilde.

[adam_jones_1]

 

Na verdade eu acho difícil que este filme supere o Batman - O Retorno. Embora eu reconheça suas falhas' date=' acho este um filme maravilhoso...

 

[/quote'] é uma opinião bastante pessoal, tenho sérias ressalvas com aquele filme, do tipo que não dá pra ser fã com mais de 12 anos. mas respeito. diga o que voce gostaria de esperar de um filme como batman begins?

 

TODAS as opiniões são pessoais. Não pense que não...

 

Eu já acho que não da pra ser fã de quadrinhos com mais de 12 anos, mas respeito também.

 

Eu reconheço que Batman - O Retorno é um guilty pleasure, mas nenhum filme de quadrinho que eu vi até hoje (espero que Sin City mude isso) contém questões que eu considere válidas para adultos.

 

Ademais, aquele tem Michelle Pfeifer.

 

 

 

 

 

bom, nesse caso foi preconceito da sua parte achar

 

que apenas sin city poderá quebrar esse estigma.

 

particularmente vi questões muito boas sendo

 

abordadas em filmes como x-men (preconceito)

 

homem aranha (relação pai e filho (norman osborne e filho))

 

episódio 3(várias questões, não irei abordar cada

 

uma)

 

e espero que junto com sin city, batman begins, siga

 

o mesmo caminho, ser mais que entretenimento.

 

 

 

 

 

 

obs: begins tem katie holmes.

 

obs2: me poupe de sua maturidade. adam_jones_138511.9517592593

[Big One]

 

Parte 3:

THE BOF BATMAN BEGINS REVIEW PREVIEW' date=' Part 3

Wednesday, June 8, 2005

Author: Jett

 

Both were asked of their most surreal moment while working on BATMAN BEGINS.

“For me,” Caine said, “was when I walked into the Batcave for the first

time. You see, it was a set at Shepperton Studios on a soundstage -

which was the first place I ever said a line in a movie. I had eight

lines in the picture, and messed up six.” I told them ‘Those are great

false bats in the ceiling.’ And they said ‘those aren’t false, they’re

real. They are asleep.’ Then the waterfall started - it was a massive

set, just massive.”

NEXT: Morgan Freeman and Gary Oldman [/quote']

 

 

 

Essa foi boa.....tudo bem, Sir Caine tem créditos...

 

 

 

 

 

Mais uma crítica positiva foi adicionada...e contando...

 

 

 

RATING: FRESH  READING: 79% (FRESH = 60% or Greater)

Reviews counted: 14 Fresh: 11  Rotten: 3 Average Rating: 7.3/10

 

 

 

 

 

 

  "Batman Begins

is obsessed with fear from its opening frames, and it manages something

that no other film version of Batman has so far: it’s scary."

 

-- Moriarty, AIN'T IT COOL MOVIE REVIEWS

 

 

[Big One]

Recomendo a moderação que faça uma

limpeza nesse tópico.Está cheio de posts com brigas e discussões bobas

que não acrescentam em nada o tema proposto.

 

 

 

 

50% de tudo que há no fórum do cinema em cena é flood

 

ou briga' date=' e nem por isso boa parte são deletados.

 

sem falar naquele lixo do seroni endoreli.

 

 

 

acho injusto, mas tudo bem, quem sou eu pra dizer alguma

 

coisa.[/quote']

 

 

 

Nem esquenta, já passou, floods são normais e aceitáveis, só não deve se prolongar muito. Agora já voltou ao normal.