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E temos muito orgulho de sermos Nerd´s: destoantes da ignorância que assola este país!

Meu Deus' date=' e o que tem uma coisa com a outra? Você seria capaz de explicar????

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Não! Eu apenas seria capaz de dizer que não valeria nada entrar numa discurssão com voce, mané!

O que voce tem mesmo a dizer? Como voce mesmo já disse, nada!

Pergunto novamente, você seria capaz de explicar o que escreveu?

E vc, teria algo a acrescentar as nossas conversar aqui, Sr. sabe de tudo "nada" ???

Agora voce pode escrever o que quiser, pois irei te ignorar, ignorante!!!!

Bom vamos lá cara, como quer discutir alguma coisa quando não respondeu à uma simples questão?

Pergunto novamente, você seria capaz de explicar o que escreveu?

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Não! Eu apenas seria capaz de dizer que não valeria nada entrar numa discurssão com voce' date=' mané!

O que voce tem mesmo a dizer? Como voce mesmo já disse, nada!

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Realmente, um NERD DESTOANTE...

 

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Realmente um pentelho!!

Vá se danar!!!

Q meda...smiley36.gif

Isso q é nerd destoante...

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Olá pessoal

 

 

 

Aqui está um matéria muito interessante do Hollywood Reporter hoje:

 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/columns/grove_display.j sp?vnu_content_id=1001012008

 

 

 

New timetable boosts Globe influence on Oscars

 

 

 

By Martin A. Grove

 

Competitive calendar: Now that the Golden Globe and Oscar timetables have been announced it's clear that a side effect of the Academy's schedule changes will be to restore the Globes' potential to influence Oscar voters as they make their nominations.

 

 

 

With Oscar nomination ballots not due back until Jan. 21, the Globe noms on Dec. 13 and the Globe wins announced Jan. 16 could put some ideas in Academy members' heads. That's not to say Oscar votes will just copy how the Hollywood Foreign Press Association's members vote, but the televised images of stars and filmmakers winning Globes can definitely influence how people perceive contenders. And in a race as close and competitive as this year promises to be, that could be just enough to tip the scales.

 

 

 

It's a big change from last year when the Academy's nomination polls closed on Jan. 15 and the Globe ceremonies were held on Jan. 16. While Oscar voters obviously knew who the Globe nominees were going back to Dec. 13 when they were announced, they had to return their nomination ballots prior to the Globe winners being named.

 

 

 

It's easy to overlook just how important winning a Globe can be in terms of the Oscar race. The imagery of an actor, actress or filmmaker making an acceptance speech at the Globes is instantly turned into news that's reported around the world. The photos and video clips of the Globe winners accepting their awards are seen for weeks to come in newspapers and magazines and on television shows everywhere. The images are of elegantly gowned actresses and men dressed in some contemporary variation of black-tie being honored for being the best at what they do. It's difficult to absorb this barrage of publicity emanating from the Globes without thinking of these people as winners. If something of this winner's image rubs off on Academy members as they make their final nominating decisions, it's understandable.

 

 

 

"I really liken the Globes to the primaries in an election and the Oscars is the finals," one awards marketer told me in an off-the-record conversation. "It does really narrow down the field because there are many instances where the Globes didn't give any nominations (to a film) and that was followed by the Academy." A case in point, the marketer added, was "Antwone Fisher" in 2003, directed by and starring Denzel Washington. "That didn't receive one nomination (in the Globes) and then it didn't receive any (Oscar noms) and (one prominent awards handicapper) thought that was going to be the big winner of the year.

 

 

 

"I think it's almost gotten to a point that once the Oscar voters see the (Globes) nominations it's harder to motivate an Academy member to go see the movie if it isn't at least nominated. I think they probably mentally say (after the Globe noms), 'Okay, then these are the ones I'll see first."

 

 

 

Awards marketers have said in the past that most Academy members send their ballots in immediately after they receive them. I'm sure some still do, but changes in the Oscar timetable in recent years have, I think, resulted in some new patterns of behavior. For one thing, Oscar nominations ballots are now sent out when a great many Academy members are out of town on winter holidays in Aspen or Maui or other vacation spots. This year, for instance, Oscar ballots are being mailed Dec. 29. They must be returned by Jan. 21. Last year's ballots were mailed Dec. 27 and had to be returned by Jan. 15. The Academy was smart to extend the time its members have to deliberate over making nominations because last year's timetable gave them precious little time in which to make those important choices.

 

 

 

Looking at last year's Oscar timetable, after the ballots went out Dec. 27, they probably sat in many voters' mailboxes until Jan. 2 when people returned from holidays they began just before Christmas. On their return, it wouldn't be surprising if many Academy members had some catching up to do on personal or business matters before being able to start going to screenings of films for their consideration. While they would have seen some of the pictures before leaving for their vacations, given the logjam of year-end product for consideration there had to be many more films still begging to be seen -- and in a theater, if at all possible. Members probably got started seeing films by Wed., Jan. 5 and that would have given them only a week or so to evaluate the contenders and mail back their ballots safely in time to be counted.

 

 

 

That sort of time pressure works to the disadvantage of lower profile titles that are would-be contenders. There isn't enough time for Academy members to see everything at screenings and there really aren't enough hours in the day to view too many DVD screeners either. So the pictures that get seen are the high profile ones that are must-see titles.

 

 

 

One of the factors that can contribute to films becoming must-see titles is receiving a Golden Globe nomination. When the Globe noms come out in mid-December that list becomes a roadmap for the rest of the awards season -- not only for Academy members, but also for members of the Hollywood guilds, all of whom are under time pressures of their own to make nominations.

 

 

 

A case in point is Warner Bros.' great success last year with Clint Eastwood's "Million Dollar Baby," which didn't open theatrically until Dec. 15. "Baby" was honored with five Globe nominations, including best picture, director (Eastwood), actress in a motion picture-drama (Hilary Swank), supporting actor (Morgan Freeman) and original score (Eastwood). The Globe noms were announced Dec. 13. Obviously, HFPA members had seen "Baby" at early screenings. When the Oscar nominations were announced Jan. 25, "Baby" received seven nods, including best picture, director, actress, actor (Eastwood), supporting actor, editing (Joel Cox) and adapted screenplay (Paul Haggis). Even though "Baby" was a late arrival -- going into theaters a week or so before many Academy members were leaving town for winter holidays -- Oscar voters made a point of seeing it. It certainly helped that it was a high profile title with Eastwood as its director and star and past Oscar winners Swank and Freeman playing key roles.

 

 

 

It also helped that concurrent with "Baby's" critically acclaimed theatrical release in mid-December the picture came into the marketplace with five key Globe nods. When the Globe winners were announced last Jan. 16, "Baby" took home awards for best director and actress and "The Aviator" from Miramax, Warner Bros. and Initial Entertainment Group won best motion picture-drama. "Baby," however, really resonated with Academy members who honored it with wins last Feb. 27 for best picture, director, actress and supporting actor.

 

 

 

This time around, the Academy has given its members a big gift in terms of an extra six days of time before their nominations ballots are due. Actually, since the Academy is mailing the ballots two days later than was the case last year, it's not really an extra six days. On the other hand, since most voters won't get their hands on those ballots in late December because they're out of town, it does translate into an additional six days of working time. That, in turn, could enable voters to see four or five more films at screenings and to watch -- or, at least, view some footage from -- DVDs of another half dozen or so contenders.

 

 

 

It's interesting to note that the Globe ballots are being mailed to HFPA members Dec. 3 and must be returned by Dec. 10. The one week voting period for nominations works well for the HFPA because of a fundamental difference between its members and Academy members. HFPA members attend screenings of films throughout the year as part of their regular jobs as Hollywood correspondents for media outlets around the world. Studios hold special screenings for them and often provide press conferences with filmmakers and stars, who go into great detail about the making of these movies. Even films opening late in the year are shown to HFPA members in time for them to consider them for Globe nominations.

 

 

 

"I've heard this so much from publicists and marketing people," an insider told me, "that they really appreciate the (HFPA members' attending so many screenings). They hold screenings and the members come. They all come. Whereas, it's like impossible to get the Academy members to come. It's fascinating."

 

 

 

It's fair to point out that while Academy members see some films during the course of the year, it's not their full-time job to see movies the way it is for HFPA members, who report on Hollywood for a living. As a result, Academy members have many more films they need to catch up with at year-end. Moreover, because Academy members' real jobs are making movies, many of them are working hard at those jobs as their winter vacations approach, meaning they don't have a lot of free time in which to see films then. That's why they wind up in a time pressure cooker situation in early January when those nominations ballots are staring them in the face.

 

 

 

Of course, the more pictures vying for awards consideration the more difficult it is to get to see them all and the more likely it is that some will fall through the cracks and not get seen by enough Academy members to get them nominated. This year is shaping up as a very tough one in terms of competition, particularly because so few serious contenders have emerged from January through early August.

 

 

 

Based on conversations with awards marketers and insiders who focus seriously on key races like the Globes and Oscars, here are some thoughts about just how competitive it's likely to be on the awards front this year.

 

 

 

In terms of films with awards potential that have already surfaced, a few that come to mind (in no particular order) include:

 

 

 

"The Interpreter" (Universal), directed by Sydney Pollack (an Oscar winner for "Out of Africa") and starring Nicole Kidman (an Oscar and Globe winner for "The Hours" and a Globe winner for "Moulin Rouge" and "To Die For") and Sean Penn (an Oscar and Globe winner for "Mystic River"). I liked the way Pollack handled this somewhat cerebral adult thriller set mostly at the United Nations, which had previously not allowed any films to be shot there, and both star performances worked for me.

 

 

 

"Cinderella Man" (Universal, Miramax and Imagine Entertainment), directed by Ron Howard (an Oscar winner for "A Beautiful Mind") and starring Russell Crowe (an Oscar winner for "Gladiator" and a Globe winner for "A Beautiful Mind") and Renee Zellweger (an Oscar and Globe winner for "Cold Mountain" and a Globe winner for "Chicago" and "Nurse Betty") and with a knock-out supporting performance by Paul Giamatti (a Globe nominee for "Sideways"). I thought it was terrific and have recommended it to quite a few people, all of whom reported back that they loved it. Why it didn't resonate with audiences this summer is difficult to explain and probably has more to do with summer moviegoing tastes than with the film. In any event, there's been talk of a theatrical re-release this fall, which would be great timing to put it back in front of awards voters.

 

 

 

 

 

E a matéria continua mencionando outros filmes, querendo ler o resto dela, favor acessar o link antes que eles a coloquem como indisponível.

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E mais um artigo interessante no Detroit News de hoje:

 

http://www.detnews.com/2005/screens/0508/10/E01-275735.htm

 

 

 

How summer schooled Hollywood

 

 

 

10 lessons Tinsel Town should have learned from a so-so movie season

 

 

 

By Tom Long / Detroit News Film Critic

 

 

 

This has been Hollywood's summer of discontent.

 

 

 

After watching ticket sales compared to last year slump for 19 straight weeks, the longest such run since the mid-'80s, things perked up for two weeks in July. And then sales went right back in the toilet. By the last weekend of that month the box office was pulling in 23 percent less than during the same period in 2004, and 17 percent less than 2003.

 

 

 

This is the kind of news that gets agents eating their cell phones in Tinsel Town. Luckily, there are lessons to be learned from this summer. Any Hollywood types worth half their bloated salaries should have noticed these facts and trends during the past three months, but in case they haven't...:

 

 

 

Hollywood needs mavericks to stir the pot: And none of them have shown up this year. Last summer, Michael Moore's documentary/political rant "Fahrenheit 9/11" earned $119 million and had everybody buzzing about movies. That followed Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ," which earned $370 million and also had everyone buzzing. This year, standard Hollywood product has ruled. No buzzing.

 

 

 

Blockbusters need stars (or at least beloved characters): The failure of three big-budget flicks this summer -- "Stealth," "Kingdom of Heaven" and "The Island" -- was at least partly because of lack of star power. But then two action blockbusters without well-known central stars -- "Batman Begins" and "Fantastic Four" -- did boffo, because audiences knew and loved the characters portrayed. The formula is: Unknowns playing Unknowns equals flop.

 

 

 

There's no such thing as bad publicity: Well, maybe if the male lead turns out to be a serial killer, but "love" sells just fine. Everyone was worried that Brad and Angelina's alleged affair would bring down "Mr. and Mrs. Smith" and that Tom Cruise's Daffy Duck conniptions over Katie Holmes would kill "War of the Worlds." "Smith" has earned $180 million so far, "War of the Worlds" $224 million.

 

 

 

On the other hand, that serial killer thing might work with the right movie...

 

 

 

History is toast: This summer season started off with "Kingdom of Heaven," the umpteenth historical epic to follow in the wake of 2000's mega-successful "Gladiator."

 

 

 

Well, "Kingdom," which was made for some $130 million according to boxofficemojo.com, earned a paltry $47 million. "The Alamo," "Cold Mountain," "Timeline," "Alexander," "King Arthur": the list of recent underperforming historical flicks is long, costly and for the most part, undistinguished. True, "Troy" and "The Last Samurai" did well worldwide, but that's not enough to keep the trend alive.

 

 

 

"Each of these movies has cost at least $100 million and are oftentimes met with apathy," says Gitesh Pandya, editor of boxofficeguru.com. "I think people would be happy if no more historical epics came out for the next two or three years."

 

 

 

The frat pack is darn near invincible: This is getting scary. The loose club of Owen Wilson, Luke Wilson, Vince Vaughn, Will Ferrell and Ben Stiller hit gold again this summer with "Wedding Crashers" ($144 million and climbing). They never all show up in the same movie, playing musical chairs from hit to hit, but "Crashers" (starring Owen Wilson, Vaughn and with a cameo from Ferrell) follows the success of "Starsky & Hutch," "Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story," "Old School," "Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy," "Meet the Parents" and "Meet the Fockers." Alone they can stumble (Ferrell had mediocre results this summer with "Bewitched" and "Kicking & Screaming"), but as a tag team they're uncanny.

 

 

 

Hollywood wears white during summer: Despite America's growing melting pot mix, very few films featured ethnic characters. Both "The Honeymooners" and "Rebound" proved mediocre flops and even the much-honored "Hustle & Flow" got plowed under by high-concept hype films. The only minority action hero of the summer, Jamie Foxx in "Stealth," went down in flames. A heightened sense of color might bring more diverse audiences into theaters.

 

 

 

Actors are not stars and stars are needed: Nicole Kidman is a respected Oscar-winning actress, but she's death in summer. June's "Bewitched" cost $85 million to make and has only earned $60 million so far. Last year Kidman's "The Stepford Wives" cost $125 million to make and market and took in less than $60 million.

 

 

 

The lesson: Star-power has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with box office.

 

 

 

"At the end of the day, Adrien Brody can win an Oscar, but it doesn't mean he's a star, and someone like Adam Sandler is more likely to sell tickets but less likely to win awards," says Pandya.

 

 

 

Critics mean nothing: At least when it comes to most mainstream fare. The most lauded film of summer was likely "Cinderella Man," the Ron Howard film starring Oscar winners Russell Crowe and Renee Zellweger, an $88 million production that has struggled just to make $60 million back. "Hustle & Flow," "Bad News Bears," "Land of the Dead" and "Lords of Dogtown" all won critical praise and all underachieved. Meanwhile critics lambasted "The Longest Yard" ($155 million earned so far) and "Fantastic Four" ($143 million).

 

 

 

Documentaries are for the birds: "March of the Penguins," a documentary about just that, has earned more than $26 million so far, making it the second most popular documentary ever ("Fahrenheit" is tops in the genre). It follows the more than $2 million made by "The Parrots of Telegraph Hill" this year and the nearly $12 million made by 2003's "Winged Migration."

 

 

 

"'Penguins' is so insanely successful that I don't think anyone could have predicted it," says Landmark Theaters Chene Koppitz, who's had the film at the Maple Art Theatre in Farmington Hills for weeks. "The thing is, it really is a truly G-rated film. You can take your kids to 'Winged Migration,' to 'Penguins,' and you actually get entertained. You can fall in love with those birds."

 

 

 

Add in the recent success of "Mad Hot Ballroom" and last year's "Super Size Me" and it's obvious America's love of reality programming on TV is spreading to theaters.

 

 

 

Fantasy rules: Not exactly shocking news, but reinforced by "Star Wars: The Revenge of the Sith," "Batman Begins," "Fantastic Four," "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" and "War of the Worlds." The top three films so far in 2005 are fantasies, as are six of the top 10.

 

 

 

There are exceptions, true -- "Stealth," "The Island" -- but Americans obviously want summer to be a season of make believe at the movies.

 

 

 

 

 

You can reach Tom Long at (313) 222-8879 or [email protected].

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Três coisas: Cinderella Man, que estava até o dia 04/08 com 200 salas nos USA teve adicionada à sua exibição mais 166 salas à partir de 05/08, e de acordo com a minha postagem anterior do artigo do Hollywood Reporter, o Cinderella Man será relançado no outono Americano. E não percam a Marcha dos Pinguins que tem estréia prevista aqui em 02/09.

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Relembrando que A VIDA É BELA não é chato e nem sem emoção, eu encerro essa discussão, da qual não participei, mas que é boba...não tem nada a ver a qualidade do filme com a personalidade de Benigni.

 

 

 

Mudando de assunto, ontem assisti DDARK WATER...

 

 

 

QUE LIXO!!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

Coitado do Walter Salles, coitada da Jeniffer Connelly, coitados de todos os outros atores bons desperdiçados naquela PORCARIA!!!!!!!!!!.

 

 

 

O filme é MUITO RUIM, talvez o PIOR do ano até agora, pelo menos dos que eu vi no cinema. Ainda não sei como meu professor gostou, mas, whatever. Estou aqui fazendo um serviço de utilidade pública a vocês meus amigos, se alguém quiser se arriscar, não diga que não avisei...

 

Ainda por cima, para piorar, fiquei sabendo que a Fernanda Torres estava na mesma sessão que eu. Não sei bem se é verdade, principalmente porque ontem foi terça e o que raios ela estaria fazendo em BH ainda sendo que a última exibição da peça (PERFEITA, MAGISTRAL, FNTÁSTICA, melhor atriz do Brasil, sem sombra de dúvidas) foi no domingo. Enfim, acho que irei morrer com esta dúvida, a não ser que alguém saiba me informar se ela realmente está aqui ou se já foi para SP (difícil, eu sei, mas vai que tem algum stocker por aqui smiley4.gif )... Prefiro acreditar que ela não estava e que o André se enganou, até porque o promoter da pré-estréia é nosso amigo e não sabe de nada sobre a possível presença de Fernada. Se ela foi, ela se "infiltrou"...Ai, ai, dúvida cruel, só isso poderia ter salvado minha noite passada.

 

Enfim, o filme é muito ruim mas caso alguém vá ver, venha aqui lamentar também...(pelo menos eu não gastei dinheiro no ingresso smiley36.gif )

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Não foi uma discussão foi levantada uma questão de q o Benigni pode entrar com seu novo filme no Oscar e eu disse q é bem capaz pq eles premiaram ele em 99 ao invés de premiar uma obra- prima, ou seja, gostam do ser patético.  E desculpa Vcnpm, não suporto o Benigni e seu filme, q é chato e sem emoçãosmiley36.gif

Brincadeira, vc tem todo o direito de gostar .

Agora, fico mto triste pelo Salles, q pra mim, é o maior diretor brasileiro em atividade, ainda bem q ele vai fazer um filme nacional e vem aí com On The Road, q tem o Coppolla atrás na produção, tenho certeza q ele vai se recuperar.

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Agora' date=' fico mto triste pelo Salles, q pra mim, é o maior diretor brasileiro em atividade, ainda bem q ele vai fazer um filme nacional e vem aí com On The Road, q tem o Coppolla atrás na produção, tenho certeza q ele vai se recuperar.

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Eu torço por isso. Desde que li sobre esse Dark Water presumi ser uma bobagem. Não queria que um talentoso e promossor diretor se metesse com isso e arranhasse sua bela carreira. Pelo menos sabemos que ele tem programado alguns filmes mais decentes.

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Vou encerrar tbm postando q A Vida é Bela é chato e sem emoção' date=' e q o Benigni deve ser primo do Tonho da Lua  e  irmão do Carrerinhasmiley36.gif[/quote']

Você arruma cada uma!!!!!!!

HILÁRIO.

Realmente qro me retratar: desculpe- me Matheus Nachtergaele e Marcos Frota, eu comparei seus personagens com esse estrupício, foi um grande crime, prisão perpetua pra mim!smiley36.gif

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O diretor da Mostra Internacional de Cinema de Veneza, Marco Muller, disse que os filmes brasileiros teriam muito mais chance de sucesso no exterior se não fossem "brasileiros demais".

"O problema é que os bons filmes falam dos problemas do Brasil de uma forma tão brasileira que os estrangeiros não entendem", diz Muller, diretor pelo segundo ano seguido do festival, que chega neste ano à sua 62ª edição.

"A discussão sobre os filmes brasileiros foi para mim uma luta contínua com o comitê de seleção", completou.

Isso não significa, porém, que a edição 2005 do festival, que vai de 31 de agosto a 10 de setembro, não vá ter a presença do Brasil. Ele vai marcar a estréia mundial de O Jardineiro Fiel, de Fernando Meirelles, que participa da disputa do Leão de Ouro, a principal da mostra competitiva. O filme de Meirelles, na visão do diretor da mostra, é uma exceção: é falado em inglês, numa produção dividida por Alemanha, Grã-Bretanha e Quênia.

"Brasileiros demais"
Segundo Muller, o rótulo de "brasileiros demais" foi dado a filmes de Andrucha Waddington, Sérgio Bianchi e Beto Brant, que foram apresentados aos organizadores do festival e que acabaram sendo rejeitados pelo comitê de seleção.

"Eu gostei muito dos três filmes, mas o comitê não entendeu nada. Eles precisam compreender mais o cinema brasileiro. Mas os diretores também devem pensar na possibilidade de exportar seus filmes."

Nascido em Roma e filho de uma brasileira, Muller é um veterano na área. Produtor de filmes, vencedor de um Oscar e ex-organizador dos festivais de Locarno, na Suíça, e de Roterdã, na Holanda, ele está à frente da seleção de Veneza pelo segundo ano.

Eu tirei do site terra, e digo, concordo plenamente, os diretores brasileiros deveriam fazer filmes mais universais, como o Salles e o Meirelles.  Pq ganhar um Oscar é importante, não essencial, mas importante e hipócrita é aquele q disser q não ficaria feliz com a vitória de um filme brasileiro.  E como ele msm diz, não é só no Oscar q isso vale e tbm nos festivais.

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Nossa um stress aqui...Ronny...controle-se!!!!!

 

Bom gente...Romance & Cigarettes vai a Toronto, o que é ótimo para o filme...e mostra a decisão do estúdio de impulsionar o filme na carreira para o Oscar...ótimo!!!

Também o oscarwatch postou matérias sobre All The King's Men...que por sinal, são bem interessantes...quem entender inglês de uma olhada...esse filme promete!!!
E como eu vocês podem verificar...eu sempre dizia que All The King's Men é um fortíssimo candidato ao Oscar...bom..parece que os ditos previsores famosos começaram a "me dar razão"smiley36.gif

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FeCamargo tbm acho q All The King's Men é forte pro Oscar mas vc tá extrapolando' date=' chamar o cara de burro, pega leve pô, ninguém aqui é melhor do q ninguém.[/quote']

Não chamei o Vicking de burro Guidon!

Eu só questionei a respeito de opiniões, como ele citou, que nem foi a dele...apenas voltei ao que o Vcnpm e eu falavamos...e há uma outra questão discutida num tópico antigo falando da subjetividade...que deu oq falar!!!smiley36.gif

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opinião sem base...mas enfim...a velha questão da subjetividade burra...



FeCamargo, vc fala como se todas as suas opiniões fossem "certas", pelo menos é o que dá a entender o termo "subjetividade burra". Vc gostaria que alguém dissesse isso para vc por não ter dado 5 estrelas à obra-prima Amadeus, por exemplo? Pelo menos foi isso que eu vi outro dia no Filmes em Geral...
Mas enfim...parece que não adianta falar, algumas pessoas não mudam!
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