Batman Begins

[Salame]

O Barney do SHH é genial:

Esse entra pra minha lista dos cartazes mais bonitos e bem feitos do filme.

E interessante que essa imagem do morcegão nós não tínhamos visto ainda, acho.

[felipef]

Cara. É a opinião dele. Tente não ligar para as pessoas que não pensam igual a você. Relax adam...

Perfeito' date=' é a opinião dele. Mas que nós podemos achá-lo um bosta por causa dessa opinião dele, podemos.

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Não acho nada.

Ele vive a vida dele, e eu a minha. Que não vai mudar porque ele não gostou do filme.

Mas vamos esperar o filme, sim?

 

 

"Os sábios aprendem com os erros do mundo. Os tolos com seus próprios erros. Os idiotas não aprendem nunca."

"A maior arma é o silêncio."

felipef38508.9188888889

[Salame]

Foto de uma das premieres que me deixou feliz:

Amanhã vou rever Último Samurai pela... Sei lá quantas vezes e o relacionamento do descobrimento de uma pura amizade das personagens desses respectivos aí.

E, convenhamos, o Watanabe arrasa nesse filme.

[LincK]

Cara, n consigo baixar os 10 minutos, eu os já vi, mas n consigo baixá-los, qdo tá nps 70% dá pau e só vem esses 70%...enfim!!!!

Agora, botando defeito, eheheh, vcs acharam pelos trechos liberados tão "genial" assim a atuação do morgan freeman??? ele me parece estar afzendo sempre o mesmo tipão...

[felipef]

Eu gosto do estilo dele. Sempre. Então...

[LincK]

Rolou um boato aí q vai sair uma versão em DVD para amiores de 18 anos...n sei o link, mas vi num jornal, o próprio Bale q disse(segundo o jornal, claro)....

 

OFF TOPIC

Vc realmente gsota do ÚLTIMO SAMURAI? Eu acho aquele filme tão arrogante, no final se chega ao cúmulo de o americano assassino ensinar os chineses(ou eram japoneses? n lembro) a sua própria cultura samurai...  

[Big One]

 

Cara' date=' n consigo baixar os 10 minutos, eu os já vi, mas n consigo baixá-los, qdo tá nps 70% dá pau e só vem esses 70%...enfim!!!!

Agora, botando defeito, eheheh, vcs acharam pelos trechos liberados

tão "genial" assim a atuação do morgan freeman??? ele me parece estar

afzendo sempre o mesmo tipão...

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eu já ouvi um comentário desses, e inclusive a mma resposta q o felipef

deu...q ele párece estar fazendo o mmo tipo, e sempre eh legal...hehehe

 

 

 

Caraca , q poster !!! copiando....

 

 

[felipef]

OFF TOPIC

Vc realmente gsota do ÚLTIMO SAMURAI? Eu acho aquele filme tão arrogante' date=' no final se chega ao cúmulo de o americano assassino ensinar os chineses(ou eram japoneses? n lembro) a sua própria cultura samurai...[/quote']

Tem suas falhas, é verdade. Ainda mais se é para falar da visão americana de guerra num filme hollywoodiano. Mas sempre busco a entrelinha no cinema. O surgimento da amizade entre eles dentre outras coisas, fazem o filme para mim. Nathan de joelhos para o Imperador no final, não pode e nem deve ser esquecido, LincK.

felipef38508.9784490741

[O_Imperador]

 

Crítica média:

Batman BeginsB

Christopher Nolan’s “Batman Begins” may be the most Freudian comic

strip movie in Hollywood history. After hiatus of eight years' date=' the

popular “Batman” series returns with an overly psychologistic epic and

an extremely elaborate plot that favors dialogue over action, tangled

relationships over rousing set pieces, characterization over splashy

visuals.

 

“Batman Begins” explores the origins of the Batman

legend and the Dark Knight’s emergence as a force for good. A

character-driven adventure, it represents the first full telling of how

Bruce Wayne becomes Batman, detailing how and why he acquires the

manners, skills, and tools to create his intimidating alter ego.

 

This

“Batman” feels like the beginning of a new franchise rather than

continuation of a popular film series that started in 1989 and has seen

four pictures. For those viewers who complain that tent pole summer

movies are too simplistic and special-effects driven, lacking plot and

characterization, “Batman Begins” should prove to be the answer as a

comic strip that relates and analyzes dozens of relationships among

never less than complex characters.

 

That theses characters are

played by the most accomplished actors working in cinema today,

including Liam Neeson, Michael Caine, Tom Wilkinson, Morgan Freeman,

Gary Oldman, and Ken Watanabe, certainly elevates the film to another

plateau. But these wonderful actors also expose the acting limitations

and lack of strong charisma of lead hero Christian Bale, who now

becomes the fourth Batman, following Michael Keaton in “Batman” (1989)

and “Batman Returns” (1992), Val Kilmer in “Batman Forever” (1995), and

George Clooney in Batman & Robin” (1997).

 

It’s hard to think

of another comic strip film that has more secondary characters than

“Batman Begins,” or one that’s more concerned with grounding each

subplot and element of the story (including the toys and costumes) in

“realism.” Clearly, Nolan and co-writer David Goyer have gone out of

their way to dissociate themselves from the previous movies. Compared

with the first two Batman, directed with bravura and pizzazz by Tim

Burton, “Batman Begins” lacks excitement. And compared with the last

two, which were disappointing, this “Batman” focuses on its hero, who’s

decently played by Christian Bale, and less on the colorful villains.

 

Moreover,

in other summer movie, past or present, the motif of father-son, or

rather fathers-son (since Bruce Wayne has so many surrogate fathers who

watch over him) has been so prevalent, dominating the whole production.

Too verbose for young (and adult) viewers, this “Batman” lacks a strong

romantic interest or erotic female presence; Kathy Holmes is the only

woman in the film, but there is not much interaction between her and

Bale.

 

Bruce is haunted by the specter of his parents, gunned

down before his eyes in the streets of Gotham on a night that changed

his life forever. Tormented by guilt and anger, battling the demons

that feed his desire for revenge and his need to honor his parents’

altruistic legacy, the disillusioned industrial heir vanishes from

Gotham and secretly travels the world, seeking the means to fight

injustice and turn fear against those who prey on the fearful.

 

Nolan’s

taut and provocative psychological thrillers (“Memento,” “Insomnia”)

have established him as a new talent with a keen sense of character and

a remarkably assured directing style. Not surprisingly, given that

Nolan’s films are imbued with noir sensibility and visuals, “Batman

Begins” is dark, violent, and decidedly less campy and humorous than

the previous Batmans. “Batman Begins” is film noir par excellence, with

all the motifs that define this genre: guilt, pain, loss, impact of the

past on the presence, and so on. I would be unfair to claim that Nolan

has drained the fun out of the beloved series, but he has certainly

changed its nature, structure, and meaning.

 

To portray the full

arc of Bruce’s story in a realistic manner, Nolan explores the complex

psychology of the man behind the myth. He’s trying to get inside

Bruce’s head and go on that journey with him, experiencing the process

of becoming Batman through his own eyes. Since there isn’t one

definitive account of Batman’s origins, the filmmakers take

considerable liberty with characters and motivations. The existence of

gaps in the mythology allows them to interpret freely key events and

bring in their own ideas of how Bruce and Batman have evolved.

 

In

recounting Bruce’s odyssey from his traumatic childhood to his

emergence as Batman, Nolan presents a more realistic take on his story

than any seen in previous incarnations. However, his goal to make a

popcorn film with gravity and epic scope, firmly grounded in reality,

is only half-met.

 

Conceptually, Nolan thinks of “Batman Begins”

as an epic-adventure in the vein of “Lawrence of Arabia,” “The Man Who

Would Be King, “Blade Runner,” and “James Bond, rather than

“Spider-Man” or “The Hulk.” Nolan’s psychologistic-realistic philosophy

is applied to every aspect of the story. For better or worse) I think

for worse), “Batman Begins” offers a logical explanation for everything

that Bruce does and for every device he acquires, including the

Batmobile. Whenever a new gadget or tool is introduced, viewers are

treated to lengthy exposition of its history, use and abuse, status of

production, etc.

 

The plot is extremely complicated for such a

fare. In his quest for education in the criminal ways, Bruce is

mentored by a mysterious man named Ducard (Neeson). Ducard imparts the

mastery of the physical and mental disciplines that empower Bruce to

fight evil. Bruce soon finds himself the target of recruiting efforts

by the League of Shadows, a subversive vigilante group, headed by

enigmatic leader Ra’s al Ghul (Watanebe)

 

Bruce returns to Gotham

to find the city devoured by rampant crime and corruption. Wayne

Enterprises, his family’s former bastion of philanthropic business

ideals, now rests in the hands of CEO Richard Earle (Rutger Hauer),

who’s more concerned with taking the company public than serving the

public good.

 

Bruce’s childhood friend Rachel Dawes (Katie

Holmes), now an Assistant District Attorney, can’t convict the city’s

notorious criminals, because the justice system is deeply polluted by

crime bosses like Carmine Falcone (Tom Wilkinson). It doesn’t help that

prominent Gotham psychiatrist Dr. Jonathan Crane (Cillian Murphy)

bolsters insanity defenses for Falcone’s thugs in exchange for

nefarious favors that serve his own devious agenda.

 

With the

help of his trusted butler Alfred (Michael Caine), detective Jim Gordon

(Gary Oldman), one of the few good cops on the Gotham police, and

Lucius Fox (Morgan Freeman), his ally at the Wayne Enterprises’ Applied

Sciences division, Bruce unleashes his alter-ego: Batman, a masked

crusader who uses strength, intellect and high-tech weaponry to fight

the sinister forces that destroy the city.

 

Created for DC Comics

by artist Bob Kane, Batman made his debut in Detective Comics #27 (May,

1939 issue). The superhero’s 66-year history represents an

unprecedented cultural phenomenon that has spanned radio serials, live

action, and animated TV series, feature films, interactive games, and

legions of comic books. Mysterious and menacing, “The Bat-Man” surfaced

as Gotham’s self-appointed guardian, a winged gargoyle living in the

shadows between hero and vigilante. In the six decades since, he has

come to be known as the Dark Knight, a complex man who transformed

himself through sheer force of will into a symbol of hope and justice

for a city rotting with corruption and decay.

 

Batman is one of

the most psychologically interesting characters in American culture.

Unlike such iconic characters as Spider-Man, Superman, Wonder Woman and

the Sandman, Batman isn’t a guy who finds himself endowed with

superpowers and is determined to do good. No, Bruce is a man who after

watching his parents die experienced a deep moral and personal crisis.

Tortured by guilt and anger and motivated by vengeance, he sets out to

transform himself and change the world.

 

Batman is a hero

driven by negative impulses, a flawed hero, who has taken his

self-destructive emotions and made something positive from them.

Batman’s ambitious quest to forge his mind and body into a living

weapon against injustice inspires both fear and admiration. What

distinguishes Batman from his counterparts is that he’s become a hero

through hard work and even harder training.

 

In the first

scenes of this telling, Thomas Wayne instills in his young son a sense

of philanthropy and love for the city that has benefited from the

altruism of its wealthiest family, laying a foundation for Bruce’s

ideals of justice. Bruce’s belief system is shattered when his parents

are gunned down before him; they’re victims of the fear and desperation

spawned by Gotham’s rampant crime and collapsing economy. Blaming

himself for their murders, and consumed by guilt and pain, Bruce begins

a lifelong struggle to reconcile his rage and thirst for vengeance with

his need to honor his parents’ legacy.

 

Since everything is

ripped away from him in a second, Bruce has to deal with intense guilt,

anger, loneliness and confusion. Pained by what had happened, he leaves

Gotham in search of answers on a never-ending journey. Battling with

himself internally, he must continually assess his actions and control

his demons, overcoming the pull toward self-destruction.

 

A

complex character that exists on the razor’s edge between good and bad,

Batman embodies the danger and ambiguity that can be channeled into

something positive and powerful. He has a kind of intensity, a fire

burning inside. The film’s point is that Bruce is an ordinary man who

has made himself extraordinary through determination and

self-discipline.

 

Nolan and Goyer are too concerned with

grounding Bruce’s story in a recognizable reality, mixing milestones in

the mythology with their own interpretation of events is through the

theme of fear. Indeed, the power of fear, in both its negative and

positive manifestations, becomes the film’s dominant motif, one that

may strike relevance for contempo audiences.

 

One of the film’s

key incidents is early on, when young Bruce accidentally discovers

bat-filled caverns beneath Wayne Manor, which results in a harrowing

encounter with the terrifying creatures, leaving him permanently

haunted by the memory. Nolan fuses this seminal experience with Bruce’s

subsequent guilt over his parents’ deaths, making his decision to

remold himself in the image of a creature that wracks him with fear and

anxiety all the more remarkable and resonant.

 

This is also one

of the film’s most intriguing ideas: A hero who must confront his

innermost fear, and then attempts to become it. The bat is a personal

symbol, one that induced fear in Bruce as a child, and as an adult is a

constant reminder of the night his parents were murdered and of his own

guilt. When he returns to Gotham after honing his mental and physical

skills, the bat persona becomes the answer to his need for a disguise.

Bruce uses it as a means to intimidate and manipulate other people’s

fears, as well as master his own fear.

 

While superheroes

typically face the challenge of living as both a public personality and

a private force, Bruce presents not one but two different personas in

public while carefully guarding his true private identity. It’s not

just a duality between Batman and Bruce, but a presentation of three

distinct facets of Bruce’s character: Batman, the iconic masked warrior

who is the channel of Bruce’s inner rage; the private Bruce, a damaged

man who dedicates his life to ridding Gotham of the evil that took his

parents’ lives; and the third individual, the public face of Bruce, a

spoiled womanizer playboy, the last person anyone in Gotham would

suspect of caring about the city’s decline, let alone of being Batman.

 

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Achei interessante essa crítica...Muito do que ele apontou aí me empolgou...o fato do filme ser noir, psicológico, violento...

 

 

 

Agora, ele não gostou do Bale??? Primeira vez que leio isso... Fazer oq

né??? Teve gente que elogiou o Ator que faz O anakim  de epIII

 

 

 

Outra...ele critica o fato de que BW não tenha muito  romance com Kate Holmes...Ótimo água com açúcar é para HA mesmo!!!

 

 

[LincK]

E o Chapeleiro Maluco...vcs acham q ele tem alguma chance ou valor????

[felipef]

Achei interessante essa crítica...Muito do que ele apontou aí me empolgou...o fato do filme ser noir' date=' psicológico, violento...

Agora, ele não gostou do Bale??? Primeira vez que leio isso... Fazer oq né??? Teve gente que elogiou o Ator que faz O anakim  de epIII

Outra...ele critica o fato de que BW não tenha muito  romance com Kate Holmes...Ótimo água com açúcar é para HA mesmo!!!
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- É curioso, né? As pessoas falando mal justamente das coisas que queremos ver.

- Conheço gente que odeia o Bale.

- Eu até gosto de romancetes em filmes. Não me batam.

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[felipef]

E o Chapeleiro Maluco...vcs acham q ele tem alguma chance ou valor????

Nossa!!! Eu queria muito. Vamos ver quais serão as idéias de ambos quando verem BB fazendo sucesso.

[O_Imperador]

Já repararam que muitos críticos compararam BB com um filme de horror?

 

[LincK]

E o Chapeleiro Maluco...vcs acham q ele tem alguma chance ou valor????

Nossa!!! Eu queria muito. Vamos ver quais serão as idéias de ambos quando verem BB fazendo sucesso.

Mas tem como tornar o personagem adulto? Tem alguma versão dele  q te agrada?

[felipef]

Já repararam que muitos críticos compararam BB com um filme de horror?

Tenho lido. Estranho e curioso. Não esperava por isso.

felipef38508.986099537

[LincK]

Já repararam que muitos críticos compararam BB com um filme de horror?

geralmente n leioa s críticas em idiomas além de meu, mas acho demias, filme de terror envolve outros elementos...

Acho q tem cenas de terror(como característica) mas não é um filme de terror(como gênero)

[felipef]

E o Chapeleiro Maluco...vcs acham q ele tem alguma chance ou valor????

Nossa!!! Eu queria muito. Vamos ver quais serão as idéias de ambos quando verem BB fazendo sucesso.

Mas tem como tornar o personagem adulto? Tem alguma versão dele  q te agrada?

Adaptar ao clima desse novo Batman seria uma tarefa divertida. O que você acha? Algo em mente?

[LincK]

Galera, alguém sabe se rola a ontológica cena do morcego invadindo a vidraça da mansão wayne???? Acho q não né?

 

E alguém sabe no que o Bruce é formado?

[felipef]

Sobre a cena da mansão, me lembro de ter lido no roteiro. Se não me engano, o morcego bate no vidro e desperta o Bruce pra tal. felipef38508.9909953704

[LincK]

E o Chapeleiro Maluco...vcs acham q ele tem alguma chance ou valor????

Nossa!!! Eu queria muito. Vamos ver quais serão as idéias de ambos quando verem BB fazendo sucesso.

Mas tem como tornar o personagem adulto? Tem alguma versão dele  q te agrada?

Adaptar ao clima desse novo Batman seria uma tarefa divertida. O que você acha? Algo em mente?

Acho q o jeito é esculaxar...deixar ele doido avrrido mesmo, fantasiado e tudo...curioso q no gibi ASILO ARKHAM  fica subentendido q ele é pedófilo...acho q seria uma boa vertente...mas nãoa cho ele com cacife pra ser uma grande vilão...

[O_Imperador]

Estava passando pelo super hero hype e estão fazendo perguntos para um

cara que  assistiu ao filme. Uma coisa me chamou a atenção, no

filme tem a mais que famosa frase: SPOILER  "Bruce Wayne é a máscara e o Batman é a verdadeira identidade!!!"

 

[Aragorn]

Batman begins: Christian Bale fala sobre a continuação e o encontro com o Super-Homem

 

 

Por Érico Borgo

 

 

6/6/2005

 

 

 

 

 

Faltando apenas 10 dias para a estréia norte-americana de Batman Begins, novas informações sobre o filme não param de surgir.

 

 

 

 

 

O site oficial da produção, por exemplo, foi atualizado com novos

downloads e imagens, enquanto o Yahoo! Movies traz um clipe inédito,

intitulado "You Always Fear What You Don't Understand" (você sempre

teme aquilo que não compreende), da aventura. Acesse o site e assista

ao clipe.

 

 

 

 

Apesar do primeiro nem ter estreado ainda, Christian Bale, o novo

Bruce Wayne/Batman, já comentou durante as coletivas de imprensa do

filme que gostaria muito que a inevitável continuação tivesse duas

versões - uma com censura mais baixa e outra 18 anos -, para que o

diretor pudesse explorar a fundo todos os pontos da psicologia do

personagem. Além disso, disse que o aguardado longa-metragem que

reuniria o Homem Morcego e o Super-Homem nas telonas ainda está sendo

planejado, mas que antes "alguns bons filmes dos dois personagens

sozinhos são necessários".

 

 

 

 

O produtor Charles Roven confirmou a declaração, dizendo que "tudo

depende do sucesso das duas franquias" e que um roteiro para o projeto

já existe e é excelente.

 

 

 

 

fonte: Omelete

 

[LincK]

Duvido...hhehheheh

[[Neo]]

Ae pessoal terça dia 7, no programa Cineview do telecine que passa as

20:40, vai ter uma matéria com uma visita ao set de Batman Begins......

 

 

[Big One]

Seria duka ver um VS, mas acho pouco provável tb..isso

só aconteceria qdo estas franquias, Super e Batman, forem esgotadas, e

isto está bem longe de acontecer, tem muito filme pela frente ainda.

 

 

 

[Neo] , valeu pelo aviso...